FilmFellas Cast 4: “The Artistic Wedding”


FilmFellas Cast 4 – Webisode 15 – One Take

Reflecting on his own experience as a wedding videographer in the early 80s, Steve Weiss opens up the round table discussion by asking the cast of filmmakers, “What do we call this? Wedding Videography or Wedding Filmmaking?”

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89 Responses to “FilmFellas Cast 4: “The Artistic Wedding””

  1. John Moon on August 5th, 2009 8:13 am

    Loved it!

  2. Jonathan Pears on August 5th, 2009 8:34 am

    Very cool episode 1….

    I think what differentiates a filmmaker from the old idea of a videographer, is the idea of emotion that you portray. If you can get across some sort of feeling then you are in the realm of story telling. I guess one might think that weddings are an easy place to capture emotion, but i think that its an interesting process to filter that emotion and get the message across to the viewer.

    As far as the ‘one take’ filmmaking goes, thats the same with quite a few film niches out there. I experience the same thing with Extreme sports, you get that one chance to capture the crazy thing thats about to happen – and most of the time you don’t know when or how it will happen. So it is a crazy way to have to think about the shoot – being on point all the time ready to shoot.

    Looking forward to episode 2!

  3. Brian Carpenter on August 5th, 2009 9:52 am

    Your a smart man Steve…. thousands of wedding filmmakers waiting to watch what the best in the business have to say.

    great stuff… can’t wait for the next one.

  4. david on August 5th, 2009 10:44 am

    I love the show, but woww!!, lets back up a little! I dont think you can call any wedding video or any corp video an “art” form!

    I have a hard enough time accepting most feature films as an art form, never mind weddings and corps. The term “art”, has been so abused that it has almost lost it’s right to exist anymore.

    Craft, creative, skill, sure, “art”, behave!!! Just because people shoot pretty pictures or they can convey emotion and meaning from a scene does not make it art!

    Problem is, most of the world does not know what “Art” is. So people would say define “art”. To me art is a piece of work from an individial that views the world in a very individual way. It has weight, substance, life experience.

    Anyway!! (sigh) Loved the show, but wedding vids will always be wedding vids, no matter how much you tart them up, so lets keep things in perspective guys.

    Not downing the filmmakers, as Chris Nolan used to shoot corp videos. So thats not my point.

    Great show

    David
    PS. Be cool to see a show with “movie makers” too

  5. Travis Cossel on August 5th, 2009 11:12 am

    Great webisode. Can’t wait to see more.

    In response to David, and ‘art’ …

    What constitutes ‘art’ is a subjective thing. You yourself even had to define art as ‘you’ see it.

    In my opinion, art is something created from personal inspiration with a purpose to motivate an emotional reaction. So to me, it’s easily possible to create a ‘wedding video’ that is ‘art’.

  6. Seth Mondragon on August 5th, 2009 11:23 am

    I really think these videographer/filmmaker conversation videos are a great idea, but I have to be honest….I stopped watching halfway through because all the moving cameras and frequent cuts was WAY too jarring. It was very annoying to watch. I think too much effort is going into trying to make these FilmFellas pieces “cinematic”. The dolly shots are totally overused. This is the first FilmFellas I’ve tried to watch, but as I said, I couldn’t get through it because of the camerawork and edits. Just my 2 cents :)

  7. the__director on August 5th, 2009 11:24 am

    I’ve been asked to shoot weddings for friends and strangers on several occasions. I always tell them that I’m either too busy or I don’t feel comfortable. I don’t feel that I’d be able to capture that moment correctly or do it justice. It’s such a magical event in someones life and the thought of filming and editing something that should is so substantial, is daunting. Kudo’s to you wedding filmmakers! I’ve never thought of it as “filmmaking”, I’ve always just thought of it as “intimidating”. :)

  8. the__director on August 5th, 2009 11:29 am
  9. Chad Nickle on August 5th, 2009 11:31 am

    David, have you even seen any of the work that these artist produce? I believe it is that kind of outdated perception that some in the wedding industry are trying to change.

    Maybe you should check out some of their work before being so quick to judge.

  10. Kara Jensen on August 5th, 2009 11:35 am

    Loved this show! Excited to see more. Yes!
    As far as the art argument goes that is a can of worms. In college I took a semester long class called “The meaning of Art” ART lacks a satisfactory definition. It is easier to describe it as the way something is done — “the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others” (Britannica Online) — rather than what it is. Sounds like a wedding filmmaker to me! This is all up to the individuals perspective. Why limit it?

  11. Tim Sarquis on August 5th, 2009 11:54 am

    Great episode! I feel privleged to be part of the wedding filmmaking world and making a difference! And they are all absolutely right, you have one take, one chance to get that “moment”. There is a huge amount of pressure, but that is what we as wedding filmmakers live on. I know many who work in the production business that wouldn’t touch weddings with a 10 foot stick! Not because they were asked to do a “wedding video” but the emense amount of pressures of that day.

    Wedding filmmakers are visionaries, risk takers, and, yes, artists. They take what they saw that day, (most of the time, things that the bride and groom didn’t see!) and turn it into a beautful film that the wedding couple can look back on for years to come!

  12. Charles Phillips on August 5th, 2009 12:00 pm

    Whew, good things were said, but the editing needs to be toned wayyyy down. It was totally distracting and took away from what was being said. I have nothing against fast cuts that go with the flow or energy of what is being said, but it seemed like a good deal of the webisode was calm and conversational, thus asking for a calmer edit. Perhaps I’m missing the purpose of the fast cuts, but it was just really hard to watch.

    Otherwise, everything was great! :)

  13. Ted Cosmos on August 5th, 2009 12:07 pm

    very interesting and informative. This conversation has nothing new to offe…but it does surely re-enforce our experiences ie not eating, on your feat all day,contrats and sort of being a one man band shooting editing bringing in new business etc. I really did not like the multiple cuts during the conversation…it was a great distraction almost couldn’t stay to the end. Otherise great show.

  14. Seth Mondragon on August 5th, 2009 12:16 pm

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who felt the editing was too much….I still feel nauseous and it’s been over 30 minutes…kinda like reading a book when you’re in the car.

  15. The Dictionary on August 5th, 2009 12:20 pm

    If you’re going to be a snob, don’t try and use facts to back it up.

    art1  [ahrt]

    1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
    2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
    3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
    4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
    5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
    6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
    7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
    8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
    9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
    10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.
    11. arts,
    a. (used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
    b. (used with a plural verb) liberal arts.
    12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
    13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
    14. studied action; artificiality in behavior.
    15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
    16. Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.

  16. Steven on August 5th, 2009 12:21 pm

    I have to agree. It’s not a music video, it’s a round table discussion.

  17. Aldo Valadez on August 5th, 2009 12:26 pm

    Many years ago, I would not call myself a wedding videographer. But with todays technology, tools, software, and the help of creative individuals Still Motion, Joe Simon, and many many more. Wedding Videos are not longer boring and dull. They have been transformed into a cinematic butterfly. We are still wedding videographer, don’t run or mask this word, embrace it and convert it to a word people would respect. “Wedding Videographer” needs a makeover. Changing the name to wedding filmmaker, Storyteller, or Couture doe not make it any better. In the end your still a wedding videographer.
    I’m Aldo and Im proud to be a wedding videographer.

  18. andrew msv on August 5th, 2009 12:29 pm

    @the__director: well, that’s a straw man argument. Just because “david” can’t create a certain piece of video doesn’t automatically make it “art”.

    But fear not, I’m on your side, “the__director”.

    @david: “art” is a pretty subjective and loose term, wouldn’t you agree? Your personal definition might work well for you, but for every person you find that says Van Gogh’s painting is art, I can find you two that says it’s garbage. Who’s right?

  19. andrew msv on August 5th, 2009 12:32 pm

    By the way, the Mythbusters were actually ABLE to polish a turd. No joke.

    http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-polishing-a-turd.html

  20. the__director on August 5th, 2009 12:38 pm

    hahah!

  21. Daniel Dunn on August 5th, 2009 1:18 pm

    I don’t care if you call it art or not, call yourself a videographer or filmmaker, these folks are kicking ass and getting respect for our industry. Keep up all the awesome work guys, you make beautiful moving pictures that are enjoyable by the clients, their friends and families and people like me on the side. I have nothing but respect for all of your work. I am a wedding videographer and it’s so refreshing and encouraging to see people who do the same thing as me, who are making it financially and loving life. They are doing what they love and people love them for it. GREAT JOB!!!

  22. david on August 5th, 2009 2:03 pm

    lol!!! You are taking it way way too serious guys. (My comment)Lets get a little tounge in cheek here ok! I have shot corps and weddings in past, so don’t patronize. And sure, I have seen the videos all you guys have done. They are GREAT!

    You are missing my point completely! I don’t even class 95% of the movie business as producers of art. I certainly don’t produce art, so lets get the snob perception out of the way here.

    It does not matter how you justify it, or what you say, I just HATE the word “art” being used in the 20th century medium of filmmaking in any form.

    Anyway, everybody should be comfortable about what they do in life. Whether you produce BRILLIANT wedding videos or Hollywood movies.

    If you want to talk about SNOBS, I live around them in Scotland. I say I want to work in Hollywood, and don’t want to make British BAFTA orientated films, and people look at me as if I want to deal drugs!

    So chill out guys! I threw a spanner in the works, we got heated, but hey look!, we got a debate going about defining all forms filmmaking!

    Peace!

    :0)
    David

  23. Philip Bloom on August 5th, 2009 2:06 pm

    these guys make Art. Art is subjective. But their stuff is beautiful.

  24. david on August 5th, 2009 2:07 pm

    Yes I have seen their work. Read my reply above. I am not JUDGING. Wedding Video makers go on the defensive too much. F*uck what everybidy says, be comfortable in what you do. Most filmmakers rarely work, so not mocking!

  25. david on August 5th, 2009 2:16 pm

    Completely missing the point I am making! I would employ some of these wedding video makers for a $50m dollar movie! Yes, what they do is excellent!

    Damm!!! Why does everybody demand what they do is “art” Why can it not just be excellent filmmaking! lol!

    If you demand that you must be called an “artist”, then go t hell! There are very very few artists left on this planet!

    You guys are sounding more pretentious than some movie makers. Drop the insecurity!

  26. david on August 5th, 2009 2:30 pm

    Michael Bay could shoot what you done! But that does not make him an “Artist!” Your work is BRILLIANT, but you can’t seem to be satisified with BRILLIANT! You want “art”

    I aspire to brilliance! Hopefully in a lifetime! But I will never reach “Art”, EVEN if I win an Oscar one day! You get my point?

    I am just a defender of the term “art”. It’s been abused for so long. And what that means is, there is no bar to reach for anymore!!

    You guys that make corps, wedding videos go to much on the defensive! F*uck what the movie industry thinks. I just used a wedding video maker to shoot my little movie. I was not having a go at your work!

    Anyway! I am outta here!

    Bye! Peace!

    David

  27. Travis Cossel on August 5th, 2009 2:47 pm

    I had to come back and agree that the cutting in the webisode was a bit distracting. The content overpowered it, but for the first few minutes I was definitely getting a little annoyed with the cuts.

    As for David and ‘art’. David, it seems like you’re getting very worked up over this when most of us are just trying to state that ‘what defines art as art’ is a subjective matter. Maybe just let the issue go?

  28. david on August 5th, 2009 2:54 pm

    Hey man, who says it was not great work? Lol! Thats not what I said! Read replies above.

  29. kasia on August 5th, 2009 3:49 pm

    ditto!

  30. Matt Ebenezer on August 5th, 2009 11:46 pm

    Onya Steve! Thanks for giving these guys (and girl) another voice. Looking forward to the future episodes.

  31. Brendan Kerins on August 6th, 2009 12:19 am

    Great to see a discussion on Wedding Filmaking. I have to say that Joe Simons
    wedding Clip was beautiful. Great to see
    behind the scenes shots of the first episode, you certainly had a lovely set for the discussion. I would agree that the cuts were a bit over the top and distracting. Keep it calmer.
    keep up the good work in promoting Wedding Film making.

  32. the__director on August 6th, 2009 5:47 am

    @andrew: I wasn’t debating weather or not it was art, I was just trying to humble him a bit. :)

  33. Susan Rapp on August 6th, 2009 6:16 am

    Thanks for helping us support these talented filmmakers. The first video with Cast Five premieres ~ Wed Aug 12th!

  34. John Goolsby on August 6th, 2009 7:33 am

    Thanks to Steve and the folks at Zacuto for inviting me to be a part of this cool webisode.

    I had worked all weekend and then caught a 1 am Monday flight to Chicago for the 11 am prep and 1 pm shoot. Even though I’d been up for a couple of days, putting me between the model looking types Joe Simon and Kristen* didn’t make me look any better. Thanks to the nice make-up girl for trying.

    The art discussion is interesting. When most people make a film, it has to appeal to a lot of people to be financially successful. I am making movies that only have to appeal to my clients to be considered a success.

    Determining their likes and dislikes factor into my storytelling decisions.

    It would be great to have the masses consider my work art, buy my primary goal is to deliver the product that brings my client satisfaction…and it’s different for each job.

    Years ago, our friend Andy convinced an art museum to display his work which he considered to be art. There was much criticism of his work with the common view that it couldn’t be art because he had used a mechanical device to create it…a film camera. He continued to display his work and now many of us own some his art. You many know him as Ansel Adams.

    Michelangelo had a big battle with some at Vatican who questioned the artistic value of his work.

    You can’t compare us to those famous artists, but many artists do face the same battles.

    I like this description of art
    “The use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others” (Britannica Online)

    I enjoy reading the various viewpoints and appreciate this forum which promotes discussion on the subject.

  35. Ralph Nelson on August 6th, 2009 8:26 am

    I am with Seth on the tiresome camera movement. Watch Bill Moyer’s Journal for an example of judicious use. I don’t have any problem with wedding “filmmaking,” I don’t see that the recording medium is more important than the storytelling. I did shoot more than a million feet of film for a series that won four Emmys.
    Ralph

  36. Ralph Nelson on August 6th, 2009 8:37 am

    To Steve- I did enjoy the information that you provided, and your presentation at the IVA Expo. If you are going to do more shoots like this, how about scheduling them for the third Tuesday of the month when the IVA meeting occurs.
    Thanx
    Ralph

  37. Steve Weiss on August 6th, 2009 9:52 am

    David,
    Don’t take it so litereal. I think we are trying to make the difference between a video of your wedding and these emotional movies that people who are not at all invovled with your wedding can watch and be entertained.

    Here are some other words, artfull, atristic, artsi, are those cool?

  38. Steve Weiss on August 6th, 2009 9:57 am

    This webisode was on the slow side for us. I like it, sorry. I hope this won’t get me into trouble, but the whole webisodic entertainment medium is a new “artform” too. Bill Moyer’s is watched for an hour and on Television, sitting on your couch, it’s a whole different watch and not the only way to do things. On the web, you need to be quicker, you don’t have quite the same captive audience you have on a couch or in a theater with all of the internet distractions.

  39. Steve Weiss on August 6th, 2009 9:58 am

    really.

  40. Steve Weiss on August 6th, 2009 9:59 am

    Amen.

  41. Steve Weiss on August 6th, 2009 10:00 am

    This show to me is really more about peoples reactions and I like to see them.

  42. david on August 6th, 2009 11:36 am

    Steve,

    I am there man! I know what you are saying!I not taking it as serious as everybody thinks.

    I think we ALL take ourselves a little to seriously sometimes, ALL types of filmmakers. Style over substance seems to rule in ALL walks of filmmaking.

    So when I see or hear discussions about pretty pictures and shots, I want to throw up! who cares!!

    However, is is an episode about “Wedding Videos”, so why the hell am I watching it if thats how I feel! Point taken!

    I look forward to other episodes, as I do like the show as a whole. Nice guy really, just being a bit of a prick! And no, not because wedding video makers. Who the hell I am! You work, pay your rent, learn a skill, all cool! I’m outta here t give you all peace!!

    :0)

  43. david on August 6th, 2009 1:16 pm

    I’m outta this show! lol!

  44. Tim Ryan on August 6th, 2009 1:31 pm

    I think it is wonderful that someone NOT in our wedding/event industry finds it “Interesting” enough to include in a web series on his website. For the most part, we have been looked “down upon” by other segments of the film/video world. Only those who actually do it appreciate it when it is done right.

    Of course there are segments of our own industry who find what one thinks of as art… as crap! That’s OK… As John Goolsby says, there is only a very small group of people we have to please. And sometimes that is harder than making some other kind of film for the masses.

    Tim

  45. Matt on August 7th, 2009 7:04 am

    David… Calm down. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

  46. david on August 9th, 2009 7:12 am

    In reflection, I guess its the pretencious way it has been shot. (We got six cameras! Who gives a shit!

    Also, the blatant promotion of a “brand”, and then the pretencious chat about corp and pedestrian type content that has turned me off the show.

    However, admire what steve is doing, I am sure its experimental too, but of course you got to take the critism too. But I guess I was a little over the top. :0) peace!

  47. Steve Weiss on August 9th, 2009 9:51 am

    David,
    Maybe we have a language barrier but I don’t totally understand what you are saying. People asked me how many cameras we use on the show and I told them, nothing pretencious about that. If anything, I have the least camera snobery of anyone out there. I am always praising people who make “ART” using an HV20 or even an iPhone.

    About the blatant promotion of a “brand”, I never mentioned my brand once in show, nor do I ever. I’m very careful about keeping my brand and this show or my new show “Critics” seperate. I’m trying to make real programing that is not promoting any kind of brands or opinions.

    I don’t even know what you mean when you say pretencious chat about corp and pedestrian content means?

    I’m cool with critisism but that doesn’t mean I’m going to change my show. At one point, you have to go with your gut and that’s what I will always do.

    best,
    Steve

  48. Max on August 9th, 2009 10:16 am

    Nice episode.

    Am I blind, or where can I find some links to the artistic wedding footage?

    Max

  49. david on August 9th, 2009 2:10 pm

    Steve, in my humble opinion, I think you are great, smart guy, passionate, and TOTALLY know where you are coming from. Typing on the web can get one misunderstood. I guess I am not articulating my point on here very well.

    I also think part of my grief was that when I first saw the add for your show, I thought cool, “movie makers” in the sense, feature film makers.

    Not that any other video making is any less worth. (Its not guys, ok, I know!) In fact, it probably has more worth in many ways.

    So ok, hands up. I have probably been a bit of a f*ucking prick”! My first rant was when I had a few beers in me, then got more heated with some of the replies “could you do this! lol! Hell yeah mutthaf*cka!

    Anyway, I have put enough graffiti on your site, so I am off now. I have gave you enough bollocks!

    The stupidest thing of all, I do think you a Great! SO fuck me if I don’t like some aspects of your show!

    I wish you all the best with the show.

    cheers
    David

  50. Susan Rapp on August 10th, 2009 6:20 am

    Max,
    We have a Bio page for each cast member here on our site. Go to the main FilmFellas page http://www.zacuto.com/category/zacuto-filmfellas and click on the highlighted filmmaker to view Bio and find links to their websites. Thanks, ~Susan

  51. david on August 10th, 2009 3:05 pm

    Done whith it! :0)

  52. John Goolsby on August 14th, 2009 12:11 am

    I would like to share a clip from last week’s Same Day Edit and Distribution. This video was delivered to the client shortly after dinner: http://weddingvideo.com/page.aspx?pgid=11&vid=241

  53. Steven Vargas on August 19th, 2009 10:52 pm

    You know, it’s great to see people taking the filming of weddings so seriously. I’ve been doing it for a few years, and it’s a challenge to stay artistically hungry. I’ve seen lots of shoddy work in this industry, so to keep your own standards up while others are sloppy and to continue to hone your craft while not necessarily being admired by your peers is something to be proud of. A skilled filmmaker is a skilled filmmaker. Thanks for doing great work, guys…

  54. Tim Sarquis on August 25th, 2009 3:06 pm

    Episode – another good one! SDE are amazing works of art! I have yet to tackle doing SDEs….too scared! :/

  55. kristen* on August 25th, 2009 3:12 pm

    I would just like to say that the food was excellent… as you can see in webisode 16.

  56. Rob Imbs on August 25th, 2009 3:16 pm

    50K for a wedding?! Wowza!

  57. Steve Weiss on August 25th, 2009 3:24 pm

    you are really chowing down there, finally, I’ve been getting shit that no-one eats the food ;-) Thank you. Chef Joe is a amazing chef.

  58. Zacuto_Sue on August 25th, 2009 3:28 pm

    kristen* ~ Well, I loved watching you enjoy our “real” fabulous food by Chef Joe Dugan. Note: this would totally be something I would do if they ever put me at that table.

  59. Aaron Tharpe on August 25th, 2009 3:28 pm

    great episode! favorite cast so far

  60. Kristen* on August 25th, 2009 6:34 pm

    Leave it to the ladies to keep real with food. ;) I think it’s hilarious because though not stated, it’s obvious from my pre-occupation with tortellini that SDE’s are not something I offer clients.

  61. Mandy Rogers on September 8th, 2009 11:46 am

    I loved this webisode; I think it is my favorite. Some of the stories told in this webisode were so touching! Also, I love to hear about people that love their jobs!

  62. John Moon on September 8th, 2009 12:32 pm

    This too is my favorite in this series.  The reason why is that the focus is on the emotional aspect and the archival qualities of what we do. 

  63. Rob Imbs on September 8th, 2009 12:45 pm

    “When 24p came around it did something to your brain, where you looked at it and your brain said, oh this doesn’t feel like the news it feels like a movie.”

    I think about this often, by simply shooting 24p and DoF you are fooling your audience without them even knowing it.

    That aside, I really love the passion that these filmmakers have. Films are powerful things!

  64. @jonmckee on September 8th, 2009 1:58 pm

    Wow! Best webisode yet!  I would love to see Zacuto do some live events with some of their favorite filmmakers!  Maybe even just live web events on USTREAM so we can be apart of the conversation.    

  65. Dave_Lawlor on September 8th, 2009 2:22 pm

    Jon- As the IT guy here at Zacuto I am always interested in doing something like that for fun.  I will talk to Steve about it and see if he would be interested in hosting some live discussions.

    Dave

  66. Steve Weiss on September 8th, 2009 10:20 pm

    I’m interested,let’s do it

  67. ScoutPro on September 9th, 2009 12:49 am

    Outstanding. For a struggling Wedding Videographer (i.e. Wedding Storyteller/Film Maker) these Webisodes give me both hope & inspiration. I’m 36, married, two kids, a day job, and been shooting weddings now for 5 years with no real gain other than experience behind the lens and at the edit stattion. Every day is a costant battle within my mind, in hopes that one day I’ll be a full time Wedding Film Maker…. maybe one day I’ll be featured on a Zacuto Webisode.
    Thanks Steve W. & Zacuto for these great interviews.
    S.J. Owens,
    New Orleans, LA

  68. Susan Rapp on September 9th, 2009 12:24 pm

    And you guys must know I would totally be into this . . . ~@zacuto_sue

  69. Sage Hall on September 9th, 2009 2:50 pm

    What an excellent Webisode. When John started talking about how much he loves shooting I fell a little in love! How wonderful and motivational! I love making wedding movies as well, here’s to the revolution!

  70. Susan Rapp on September 9th, 2009 3:19 pm

    Sage ~ I know, it’s amazing how much passion these filmmakers have and how they truly care about their craft and creating nostaligia. Thanks for being part of the wedding filmmaking “revolution”. ~@zacuto_sue

  71. Dave Grant on September 10th, 2009 6:00 am

    Thanks folks a great inspiration to me stuggling in the Irish Wedding Film business, were 10 years behind the trend here, hopefully I might get a chance to change that.

    Cheers!

  72. Susan Rapp on September 17th, 2009 4:34 pm

    Dave ~ thanks for supporting these avant-garde wedding filmmakers who are totally changing the industry as we know it. It’s great to know you share a similar passion for your craft over the past 10 years. ~ @zacuto_sue

  73. Meg Simone on September 17th, 2009 11:24 pm

    This was the best episode – I think all potential clients should have to watch this too. Awesome dialogue – super inspiring as always :)
    Meg Simone, New Hampshire

  74. Rob Imbs on September 23rd, 2009 12:10 pm

    As Kristen* described how she uses old film footage from a parents wedding, I started to imagine how powerful that could be. That’s a really awesome idea, tear….

    Also, I totally agree with Joe. I think people let their guard down more around smaller cameras. So now that high quality DoF video capabilities are packaged into traditional still camera bodies, you’re able to capture a more genuine reaction from people. That’s really amazing.

    Steve, I remember watching my Grandfather’s old film reels when I was young. He always had people walking toward the camera, and we used to ask the same question, “why are they all walking towards the camera”? Now I got an answer, thanks!

    It’s funny how people’s reaction to being in front of the camera changes, as the technology changes. I’m glad to see that these filmmakers are using it to their advantage. Great episode as always.

  75. Phil Jackson on September 23rd, 2009 12:21 pm

    This may be me thinking too old media, but will these ever be on DVD? I’d love to have these be a little more portable.

  76. Rob Imbs on September 23rd, 2009 12:41 pm

    Phil, you can get them through the zacuto podcast channel in iTunes, It goes great with an AppleTV :)

    http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=304401776

  77. Andrew Howe on September 23rd, 2009 5:41 pm

    Our family films date back to the early 60′s.  Much of the subject matter was my sister and i as kids and we would tend to just get on with doing kid stuff.  The adults , when not engaged in keeping us alive, would tend to stand and grin innanely and quite often talk to camera.  This was pointless as we didn’t get sound till about 75.

    I do kind of miss film nights though.  Actually watching the films required a great deal of furniture removal and equipment assembly so tended to be restricted to major family gatherings.  The anticipation as you heard the header on the film making its way through the projector … its all coming back.  All the films have since made their way onto VHS then S-VHS then DVD.  But now we can watch them anytime we probably see them less.

    What Joe said about the 5D also struck a chord with me and I have asked a couple of other owners in the past whether they had the same experiences.  People can’t get their head around SLR’s taking video.  They have a tendency to pose as for a still.  You have to remind them its video just to make sure they breathe.  Shooting in the street people dutifully stop to let you get your shot and as soon as you hit go they work straight in front assuming you are done.  Still it has its advantages too.  On a recent family trip to New York we went into the lobby to see the Art Deco design.  My Dad got yelled at by security for filming with his palmcorder whilst I was unmolested while I took “pictures”.

  78. Dave Grant on October 1st, 2009 10:51 am

    Thanks again, great stuff as usual and thats what i always thought happened at Canon, one of the best corporate mistakes ever.

  79. Phil Jackson on October 6th, 2009 1:27 pm

    It will be interesting to see how this evolves over time. What it will look like in a year or two and how they themselves have adapted to the business/market.

  80. Susan Rapp on October 7th, 2009 10:58 am

    Phil ~ I totally agree. It’s amazing how the wedding film industry is evolving and now, with concept films, like “Snow” from FilmFellas Cast 5 Kevin Shahinian, it’s totally changing the game and the production values just keep getting bigger. Thanks for watching. ~ @zacuto_sue 

  81. Rob Imbs on October 7th, 2009 11:32 am

    I like what Steve said about how people sit on twitter/facebook, when they should be producing content. Alot of my buddies say that they spend too much time on twitter, myself included. I think you need to find the balance between spending time with your audience/friends, and producing content for your audience/clients.

  82. Cliff Etzel on October 8th, 2009 10:17 am

    Another great episode – I can’t get enough of these round table discussions – thanks for putting them together!!!

  83. Susan Rapp on October 8th, 2009 10:35 am

    Cliff ~ Thanks for following our “round table” {not so round table} discussions on the filmmaking biz. We’re also getting ready to launch Cast 6 “The DP Edition” with Robert Primes, ASC., Trent Opaloch + Philip Bloom which premieres at the end of this month. I always tweet out the updates as @zacuto_sue . . .

  84. Clarke on October 8th, 2009 1:43 pm

    Why isn’t anyone eating their food!!! – it looks delicious! :)
    Thanks for the comments on website and blogs etc…

  85. Susan Rapp on October 8th, 2009 1:58 pm

    Clarke ~ sometimes we have to ask them to stop eating, so we will have food left for the actual filmming. But make sure to check out Webisode 15 where Kristen* (our fabulous GirlFella) totally chows down. And yes, the food is real and Chef Joe Dugan puts on an amazing spread. thanks for watching ~ @zacuto_sue

  86. matt on April 6th, 2010 1:48 pm

    why does kristen have a star after her name?

  87. An editor on April 21st, 2010 8:55 am

    Perhaps I am an old fart and not in with the MTV pace of this but aren’t you setting this up as an informal chat around a table? Yet the pace is more like that of a music promo. There are too many cuts and constant crossing of the line that geographically bounces me around the room, throwing me out of the interview. Why not just use use a semi circle track, staying on one side of the line and add more reaction shots instead of cutting on the smallest of sound bites?

  88. Anonymous on February 25th, 2011 5:39 pm

    I am so glad joe simon was there…just sayin… 

  89. Susan Rapp on February 28th, 2011 11:54 am

    G ~ Yes, I totally agree. Joe Simon is an amazing filmmaker and we were lucky to have him at our table. Cheers, ~Sue





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FilmFellas Cast 4

In FilmFellas Cast Four: “The Artistic Wedding,” the filmmakers discuss the definition of wedding filmmaking and the artistic expression of producing avant-garde wedding films. Along with the pressures of one-take, 12-hour shoots, they discuss the true realities of capturing the moments of that perfect day.

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Kristen* (Couture Wedding Filmmaker)

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