Filmfellas Cast 1: Film School and Beyond


FilmFellas Cast 1 – Webisode 1 – Web of Opportunities

The premiere webisode “Web of Opportunities” introduces Steve Weiss’ passion for the web. Can the web really be a delivery medium for entertainment? Can money be made on the web?

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242 Responses to “Filmfellas Cast 1: Film School and Beyond”

  1. RUBÃO on December 16th, 2009 12:14 pm

    talk and talk!great!

  2. Paul Treacy on December 16th, 2009 12:18 pm


    Great content for sure. But the food? No one’s eating. It looks delicious. Eat up folks.

  3. bob lorrimer on December 16th, 2009 12:22 pm

    <img style=”cursor: pointer; float: left; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://ps.vimeo.com.s3.amazonaws.com/564/5641_75.jpg” title=”bob lorrimer”/>bob lorrimer 3 months ago DeleteThank-the-Lord, you made a decision NOT to eat!

    Crisp white napery, HD, and brilliantly clean tulip glasses of ruby, red wine.

    Good content too.

  4. Imagination Media on December 16th, 2009 12:23 pm

    This is really good. Thanks guys.

  5. david baker on December 16th, 2009 12:28 pm

    The old model for viewing any content is radiply dying, and those who try to hold on to that old model will sink down with it. I can’t BELIEVE that some film makers can’t see what is coming ahead. The web will let you control your own destiny, brand, content, and any filmmaker that does not want to embrace that, really is not switched on in my book. Sure, still do regular freelance work for industry, but use that as a marketing tool to bring people to your own content.

  6. Brent Murray, Ascent Imagery on December 16th, 2009 12:31 pm

    Great content

  7. Chester on December 16th, 2009 12:34 pm

    With such gorgeous filmic images and sound its a pretty compelling argument. TV is history.

  8. andrew. on December 16th, 2009 12:36 pm

    Wow this is a great idea, like dinner for five but for vimeo, aimed soley at filmmakers. Keep this up, for long as possible, thats all i can say….

    Oh and way to go Philip, repping the UK!  ;)   

  9. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 12:37 pm

    We have webisodes all the way to 6 currently and webisode 7 comes out April 1st. Please subscribe.

  10. andrew. on December 16th, 2009 12:38 pm

    Yep, i am just watchin ‘webisode’ 5 now, seriously, soo good, thanks again Steve and for sure i’ll subscribe

  11. Anonymous on December 16th, 2009 12:39 pm

    Yep, i am just watchin ‘webisode’ 5 now, seriously, soo good, thanks again Steve and for sure i’ll subscribe

  12. Carlos Johnson on December 16th, 2009 12:41 pm

    NICE TOPIC!!..keep on working!

  13. Berislav Petrovic on December 16th, 2009 12:43 pm

    Thank you for all the interesting talking and advices.

  14. Bruce Tritton on December 16th, 2009 12:46 pm

    This is fantastic. As a 45 year old wannabe I can appreciate the voices of experience here.

  15. walt on December 16th, 2009 12:50 pm

    filmed like the reservoir dogs conversation, very cool

  16. walt on December 16th, 2009 12:50 pm

    but i do recommend putting the interviewee’s name next to them so we know who each one is.

  17. Leo Cinema on December 16th, 2009 12:51 pm

    very smart!

  18. Shackep on December 16th, 2009 12:54 pm

    I ran across the second webisode of filmfellas on Philip Bloom’s website before I found it on vimeo. I find that the context of the screen makes a big difference on how things “feel”. On Philip’s website it had a black background that made the video pop out. That is one of the things I like about finding things in Vimeo’s groups and channels as opposed to on peoples user pages. That being said, I think it is very important for “new media” creators to have control of the context that their projects are found in because it can either heighten the experience or detract from it.
    As a side note, I have not been able to subscribe to FilmFellas on iTunes.

  19. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 12:56 pm

    I’m in the process of fixing iTunes, thanks for pointing that out. If you watch the videos on our Vimeo channel, it has the nice black background you like: Zacutovideo.com orfilmfelllas.tv

  20. Bret Douglas on December 16th, 2009 12:59 pm

    Steve, Please make these first two webisodes (I like that word) available for download like you did the third one.

    And finish your spaghetti.

  21. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 1:00 pm

    Done Bret, they are all downloadable now.

  22. Bret Douglas on December 16th, 2009 1:06 pm

    That’s great! I really appreciate it, Steve.

    Hopefully your vids will inspire me to get out and shoot some video with my new 5D Mark II.

    In future segments I’d like to hear you guys talk about editing, particularly the type of editing we can do on our computers, rather than professional stuff that is out of range for most of us hobbyists.

    Thanks again

  23. Tio Dave on December 16th, 2009 1:08 pm

    This series has shed light on some of the areas I need to touch on. I haven’t had any formal education on anything related to film. Finding tutorials on the internet has provided the education to get everything going.

  24. robbie conaway on December 16th, 2009 1:09 pm

    I’m lookin’ at you Steve Weiss. The internet is still a forum for quick ideas and jumping around. Going to the theater is an event you go to. They are still considered seperate.

  25. robbie conaway on December 16th, 2009 1:09 pm

    There still aren’t 150 comments about this video like the guy assumes.

  26. Jay Shropshire on December 16th, 2009 1:12 pm

    I think this is a must for all film student to watch. I see so many students at my school think that oh If I have a bachelors in film I can get a job anywhere. And its not the case because all anyone gives a rats ass is about your reel. Your demo reel determines what jobs you will get because it is visual proof of what you have learned and what you can do.

  27. Edgar Dubrovskiy on December 16th, 2009 1:14 pm

    Interesting…
    Fame as priority.

  28. Tony Reale on December 16th, 2009 1:17 pm

    One thing I’ve noticed is that different internet casting sites will give you a different feedback experience. I can do a short creative piece that may not have the best script, but that may have a very artistic look. If I put it on YouTube, I’ve seen more people try to pull out every negative and be, for the most part, uneducated film critics. Where as if I put it on Vimeo, there’s more of a community of encouragement and support.

    Also, web forums can be a huge place for feedback and education. I never went to school for film and video production. I went on forums and YouTube videos and tried to learn as much as I could. As I went out and started making shorts, I grew and eventually landed a job doing what I love. I’ve still got a long way to go, but a lot of it I can learn right here on the internet and apply it right away. Instead of sitting in a class room and getting one perspective, you can log online and get 20 different approaches in one night. Now I’m not saying a good education isn’t necessary or important, but the internet is providing opurtunities to people that possibly wouldn’t have them. If it wasn’t for forums, I wouldn’t know anything about DOF adapters, rail supports, matteboxes, etc. But after weeks and months of research, I feel I have a healthy understanding of indie film production.

  29. Chris Christensen on December 16th, 2009 1:19 pm

    I would like to see some talk about the fact that YouTube now has HD… Are many of we the die hard Vimeo users going to start being pulled towards Youtube because of the large numbers of viewers?

  30. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 1:21 pm

    No Chris, I haven’t been able to achieve the same HD quality on YouTube, nor does it have this nice user interface like Vimeo has. Plus Vimeo is a more defined higher quality crowd then all of the yahoos on YouTube.

  31. Chris Christensen on December 16th, 2009 1:21 pm

    Steve, that makes a lot of sense, I would agree that YouTube vs. Vimeo at this point is about more than quality of the stream itself but about the quality of the people who watch your videos. I also enjoy the positive community aspect of Vimeo as opposed to the overwhelming amount of disrespect there is in the YouTube “community.” Now if only Vimeo had an iPhone app  :)   

  32. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 1:22 pm

    I’m sure it’s coming, an iphone ap. Boy that would be great.

  33. Dan Rubottom on December 16th, 2009 1:24 pm


    Nicely done and great content, looking forward to more!

  34. Neil D. Short on December 16th, 2009 1:27 pm

    Steve, thank you for creating this series and for your 
    comments here. I am in film school now (which I 
    started later in life than most) and while I learn the technical knowledge I have an eye on the future in regards to the sustainable income you mentioned. The topics you discuss are very relevent to conversations I have everyday. Like many others I would love to have a film on the big screen, but I would much rather go the indie route than get lost in the gears of the Hollywood machine. I look forward to hearing about the alternative business models you’ve mentioned and welcome your thoughts on various distribution channels. 

    On a side note…I had conversation today regarding the general frustration over TV networks canceling shows after a season or two despite being relatively popular. I would hope to see the internet become an atlernative to this process. There are a lot of good ideas and talent out there and it seems that there is only so much TV air time to go around.

  35. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 1:28 pm

    Neil really good point. I have never thought about the idea of cancelled shows maybe finding a home on the internet or the reverse which I am promoting of starting shows on the interenet at a lower cost and then moving them to TV once proven. They have already invested a lot of money, why not try to recoup some of it. Good thinking and we’ll talk about this in future episodes.

  36. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 1:30 pm

    the cost of tv shows is so prohibitive for internet only, until decent revenue avenues can be achieved. Hence the only thing we see so far are webisodes of big shows or low budget stuff…

  37. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 1:31 pm

    Exactly Phil, many shows can be proved from web shows and then the production value could be upped if bought by television. Personally, I wouldn’t even bother, I don’t care where your gathering place (where people watch it) is. You need a multi pronged approach to your revenue stream. Targeted ads can only be on part of the revenue. You need to sell people who arrive at that garthering place things that they buy in real life. If it’s soap, or batteries it doesn’t matter. I know it sounds wacky. This concept works better with “edutainment” than movies. I’m working on it with Shiv. More on this in cast three.

  38. Evan Peters on December 16th, 2009 1:33 pm

    Cool show!

  39. Sean Fitzroy on December 16th, 2009 1:35 pm


    I actually enjoyed seeing the Letus/Zeiss footage cut together with the raw HVX200 footage in the same lighting set-up. Maybe you can throw a Canon 5D mark II into the mix next time.

  40. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 1:37 pm

    The naked HVXs were on the end of the lens in the far corners of the studio. Great set up they have there!

  41. Jonathan West on December 16th, 2009 1:37 pm

    This is such an exciting time for anyone who wants to produce product and get it out there. I have been a cinematographer & director for a number of years now… mainly in television at the major studios in Los Angeles. In 1998 I got involved with my own HD feature and believe me it took so much $$ because all the post had to come out of Sony HD Center. I used up a lot of favors for equip etc…. but when all was said and done. I couldn’t get it distributed through normal channels. We won HDFEST 2001 and then the project sat on the shelf. Today… its a whole new ball game. Create your own distribution rules. Keep up the good work and I’ll be following the series.

  42. Jonathan West on December 16th, 2009 1:49 pm

    This is such an exciting time for anyone who wants to produce product and get it out there. I have been a cinematographer & director for a number of years now… mainly in television at the major studios in Los Angeles. In 1998 I got involved with my own HD feature and believe me it took so much $$ because all the post had to come out of Sony HD Center. I used up a lot of favors for equip etc…. but when all was said and done. I couldn’t get it distributed through normal channels. We won HDFEST 2001 and then the project sat on the shelf. Today… its a whole new ball game. Create your own distribution rules. Keep up the good work and I’ll be following the series.

  43. Michael Cowan on December 16th, 2009 1:53 pm

    Steve, et al: thanks for conversation; it’s really useful to step back and speculate. And, perhaps time for me to review Thomas Kuhn’s 1962 treatise, “The Structure of Scientific Revolutions” in which Kuhn, a scientific historian, mused about the nature of paradigm shifts and the predictable, drawn-out process of design experiments, executing them and recording the results. 

    And, then sometimes… BAM! out of nowhere, a paradigm shift occurs! The theater vs. the living room vs. the computer/mobile device conversation exists inside of paradigm that we’re aware of, we can describe where things have been, and have some ability to speculate about where it’s going.

    And, yet, we’re still stuck inside the existing paradigm. Predicting the next Google’s beyond our ken. Usually. But, not always.

    Streamed, high-quality video is still trumped by bandwidth issues. I have a fast DSL connection and I saw a lot of transient delays while watching the webisode. I know that better codecs and more bandwidth are coming down the pike. But, it’s not there, yet.

    Movies and TV aren’t going away. Sure, they’re morphing into something that we don’t fully get/embrace, but experimentation is the place to play. If you haven’t already, check out Late Fragment (www.latefragment.com) a Canadian Film Board feature that offers the viewer the ability to “cut” their own picture. That’s reinvention!

    BTW, the webisode looks amazing. But, that cork in the wine bottle was, for me at least, a bit distracting. I kept wondering, “Are they not going to finish that red? What’s the matter with those guys?!”

    Cheers!

  44. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 1:55 pm

    oh the wine was finished!!

  45. Phil Blauw on December 16th, 2009 2:00 pm

     I’m of the same era as Steve, and in a smaller market taken much the same career path. I have to admit that maybe it’s because I’m older, have a family,etc., I have become absolutely agnostic in terms of delivery system. I have never had a viral video, but I get the feeling, I would feel the same if it was watched on youtube or vimeo or any other relatively non profit based outlet. It strokes the ego, but doesn’t necessarily pay a bill, unless it is used simply as your calling card for the next big thing. A theater, broadcast network, or corporate client ,on the other hand, is all about the profitability of your work.  

    This is where I think the industry has become very shizoid. You have tons of mostly young film makers out there experimenting, living the bohemian life, with very little care for the profitability, having the time of their life, and learning, and getting a lot of on-line accolades. On the other hand you have older guys who have been through the trenches trying to stay a step ahead of the 6 month industry cycle looking for the secret code of a business model.

    Unfortunately, it just doesn’t seem as though short form programming will ever be a profitable venture on any delivery system. And, although there is an indie film industry, it is so only in name. I’m sorry, but when most indie films are costing 1-5 million, with a smattering of semi known actors, it’s no longer indie, as far as I’m concerned. Producers putting out that kind of investment are connected, and have a reasonable expectation/calculated risk for a healthy return. 

    In the end, I guess I still haven’t a clue how to turn internet based content into a profit center. Then again, I’m not in such bad company. After all, the Tribune, and most news outlets with all its brain trust can’t figure it out either.

  46. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 2:01 pm

    Thanks Phil, great to see somone of my vintage out there. I too have a family and the key is SUSTAINABLE income. Your kids are funny like that they start expecting three meals a day. 

    My consistant message, work in production, get experience, make some money in film and video, better your craft, make any kind of entertainment, present it where ever someone will let you. Make a living with your camera gear to be able to afford to make your movie/show whatever.

    Now we do have crazy outside the box business models for making money on the internet that we are going to be discussing in cast 3 which comes out before NAB. You won’t want to miss that.
    Peace, Steve

  47. David M. Wexler on December 16th, 2009 2:02 pm

    First, I want to thank the filmmaker’s who wish to continue this dialog. Great stuff!

    The debate is ongoing and is a personal one as well. Let’s face it the goal is still to get noticed and unless you are a trust fund baby with deep pockets you still need money/funding to do decent if not exceptional work on the web or otherwise. The percentage of projects, shows, music videos, documentaries etc, which have really benefited from posting on the web is small. One just has to sift through an ever-greater amount of bad content to get to the real nectar.

    In addition, the web really is not paying anything, unless you are on one of the upper echelon web shows/ spinoffs. Even then, the “rate” is abysmal in comparison. It all comes down to number of hits and viability there after. By no means do I think that the Tila Tequila show is quality programming, but that how she made it on TV via the web. 
    SAG is dealing with this at present under the new media clause.

    As a DP, I certainly want my work to be featured in the best possible way. The ASC has been fighting this for years. Traditionally, that’s been standardized 24 frame film projection.
    Unfortunately, the quality on the web generally in lacking…it is getting better but overall lacking.

    All this said, I believe the web will soon be the exclusive medium (for most) by which one’s project is viewed maybe not for 10 or 15 years, but we had better (including myself) embrace it.

  48. Robert Klein on December 16th, 2009 2:05 pm

    Not to be overly dramatic about this topic but I see the whole world of entertainment and journalism as being in the midst of a revolution. The internet itself is very young 13 years or so I think- I’ll check with Al Gore… My point is that we just don’t know what changes it will go through to help clear up the various issues that many of us are currently wondering about. Let’s take the movie theater experience to start with. That experience has certain criteria- a large screen, High quality images, Surround sound and control of the environment to limit distractions. So right now the internet does not really satisfy those needs. But soon enough it could. Netflix and blockbuster both have digital boxes for downloading movies to be viewed in home theaters. Home theaters themselves are now pretty affordable if you have a little bit of extra room in your house/apartment. As for the revenue part, I don’t have the answer for that really but that should work itself out over time- it has to. The music industry is struggling with that but itunes makes money for artists even with file sharing readily available. So many films both short and long form come and go without being available to a large audience. The internet can certainly address that by giving many films accessibility and without a time limit. In the internets current form it would at least allow these films to get some notice even if they are not viewed in the ideal environment.

    Many of the current commercial movie theaters don’t offer consistent high quality experiences when people do bother to go out to see a movie. While some people will always go to movie theaters I believe that many people will not continue to do that into the future. People have gotten used to controlling their theater experience at home. No rude people to deal with, no crappy sound quality and you can watch a movie at home any time it suits you. So could more film makers and television producers reach audiences through the internet but viewed in a home theater or a home television environment? My guess is that at some point in the next few years or so the internet will be seen on hdtv sets right along with cable and satellite television signals. I don’t think I am saying anything bold here that you all haven’t already considered but I am addressing the part of the discussion concerning the large vast internet audience verses the small movie theater only audience. I believe the forces of nature- i.e. financial realities, will decide which of those two worlds dominates going forward. I question the future viability of todays commercial movie theaters unless they are willing to go through technological changes to boost the experience for movie patrons. 

    Keep up the great webisodes, I look forward to the next one.

  49. Peter Olejnik on December 16th, 2009 2:06 pm

    Internet Television is the future—expect to begin seeing more internet media broadcasts directly into televisions fairly soon.

    The issue isn’t internet filmmaking as much as it’s reinventing the media distribution plat-form. In all, it’s an exciting time for everyone involved in media production. 

    Unfortunately, the key players who will miss out will be the ones who lack foresight into a more cost effective solution.

  50. Hunter Boone on December 16th, 2009 2:09 pm

    Man, you’re stuff travels like wildfire!!!

    Just wondering, is anyone selling a Letus35?

  51. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 2:10 pm

    What the internet has given us all is a place to showcase our work, get it seen, which before those days (I remember them!) you had to send out VHS tapes of your work. I haven’t done a showreel in two years, people go to my website or my vimeo page and see my work. There is an immediacy and an autonomy which is something very special.

    I will be doing a third film competition very shortly where people have to make a short narrative film with no technical constraints, just content specifications. To mount something like this until now would be a logistical and expensive nightmare. Now it is simple to do and opens up filmmaking to people who until now would never have been able to take part. 

    The cost of cameras and edit gear of course is as integral to this revolution as the internet itself…

  52. George McEachern on December 16th, 2009 2:13 pm

    I missed the product placement on the wine. Just what brand were you guys on.

  53. nikhil saraf on December 16th, 2009 2:14 pm

    i like it…keep em coming..

  54. Hedgehogs4Me on December 16th, 2009 2:15 pm

    For example, for TV, you often have people taping it for their own personal use (like, to watch it again). This means that releasing it on TV and then on a DVD isn’t that great an idea.
    In the theatres, you have more focused viewers, meaning that you will have people coming into the theater and taping it for their own use as well as use for other people (pirating). This means that releasing to the theatres and then to a DVD is great (since the pirated version has a lower quality), but as you mentioned, there are a few downsides.
    As for the internet, the main concern you’ll probably have is people taping it and then claiming that it’s their own, since on the internet you have viewers that are the least focused (i.e. just browsing around stuff).
    Ad revenue on the internet shouldn’t be a problem if you know where to look (I believe YouTube has something kinda like that), so I don’t really see where that argument is coming from.

    I’d also like to mention that YouTube only looks “terrible” if you don’t click the “watch in high quality” (or, if you exported it right, “watch in HD”) button. It does exist now, but it takes a long time to load due to YouTube’s ridiculous popularity nowadays.
    I would consider Vimeo to be a more community-oriented site, where you can connect with a smaller number of viewers, and with people who are more focused (there’s that word again). As in, Vimeo is more in the direction of the theatres, except as far as I know, with no revenue of any sort.
    This means that Vimeo is the best option in terms of people not stealing your video, but it’s not the best in terms of getting your video out there to millions of people and such (although the comments will undoubtedly be better on Vimeo :P ).

    That’s just my view. Note that none of this is from experience, it’s just speculation.
    -Hedge

  55. Gord Stephen on December 16th, 2009 2:18 pm

    VERY interesting. I just wish there was more… Oh well, I guess I’ll just have to wait :p

    As for the discussion on distribution: I agree that different content best suits different venues. An epic narrative deserves a theatre with a focused audience, and the AV tech to do justice to the experience being created. That’s why people buy home theatres, or pay to go to the movies. 

    Something web-oriented like this still draws an audience in, but let’s be honest, would the experience benefit from being on the big screen in full surround sound? No… but the ability for me to instant message my friend with a link to this page, or subscribe to the feed on iTunes, is huge.

    So, for me it depends on what you’re making. If you have something that doesn’t just tell a story, but immerses the viewer and creates an experience that won’t soon be forgotten, then a proper theatre is by all means the place to show it.

    But if your goal is to simply entertain, or inform, then the theatre isn’t nessecary. In fact it might well be a hindrance. It doesn’t make sense to head down to the local multiplex to watch the news… if you just want to spread the word (whatever that word may be), the theatre setting is far to restrictive. Media like TV and the web bring the content to the audience, and that’s huge.

  56. greg hemmings on December 16th, 2009 2:20 pm

    Great stuff guys…the future is understanding how to monetize our content online, those who have an “in” with the advertising world are at an advantage. Question is, how do we as indy producers get our hands into the pockets of the advertisers to sponsor our content. TV market is dying before our very eyes, larger budgets in television seem to only exist on the BBC, so whats the answer for the future of Web based content? Product placement maybe? Soon to see!  :)   

  57. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 2:21 pm

    Greg, I love it, you are thinking. Yes you have to be a businessman and a filmmaker. We have some great ideas for indie folks like you to generate income. Some are way out crazy and some are not. Not every episode is going to deal with revenue. But our key idea is try to get your daytime job be in film and video so you are constantly improving your skills. I was in a production company for 20 years and made a great living doing mainly corporate videos, I learned a ton in the process. Keep watching we’ve got some amazing content coming.

  58. Jonathan Entwistle on December 16th, 2009 2:27 pm

    My advice for any Filmmaker is work really hard writing interesting stories and good scripts. It is as simple as that. Don’t bother with what camera, what lens. And certainly don’t try and side-step everything by dreaming up ‘new-platforms’ that don’t exist. Just work hard at your film-making and you will make a film!

  59. ailatanotos on December 16th, 2009 2:29 pm

    I almost understood all!! 

    And i agree with you fellas, viva Internet.

    I`ll be specting the next webisodic.

    Saludos desde Chile.

  60. PDA Video on December 16th, 2009 2:31 pm

    I’m hooked.

  61. ohn sealey on December 16th, 2009 2:31 pm

    This is all well and good with the right intentions, but at the end of the day, I bet everyone sitting around that table is paid handsomely by the very industry they claim stifles their creativity. The desire to progress to bigger projects is normal for any filmmaker – the issue is (and always will be) HOW AM I GOING TO PAY MY PHONE BILL…FEED MY KIDS…FEED MYSELF EVEN…Making films is not a problem for most filmmakers these days – if they have the desire and will, they’ll do it. The only mystique the industry retains these days is through its cheque book.

  62. john sealey on December 16th, 2009 2:33 pm

    This is all well and good with the right intentions, but at the end of the day, I bet everyone sitting around that table is paid handsomely by the very industry they claim stifles their creativity. The desire to progress to bigger projects is normal for any filmmaker – the issue is (and always will be) HOW AM I GOING TO PAY MY PHONE BILL…FEED MY KIDS…FEED MYSELF EVEN…Making films is not a problem for most filmmakers these days – if they have the desire and will, they’ll do it. The only mystique the industry retains these days is through its cheque book.

  63. Bjarki Gudjonsson on December 16th, 2009 2:46 pm

    Lovely discussion. One point which I hope will come up in future episodes is that the quality of the film, whatever the medium, is essentially based on the quality and talent of the filmmaker.

    In the end, I don’t see how you can say that there is a right or wrong place to show your work – they all have their pros and cons, but the true distinction between the films or clips published is the content itself.

    Or so I hope.

  64. Sam Fuller on December 16th, 2009 2:50 pm

    I appreciated the conversation, although I wish it had been a bit more in-depth and lengthier–but I do have to say that the pacing of the editing was very distracting. The dolly shots were unnecessary and seemed just a showcase for the DOF lenses and slick glides. I would much rather just have a nice clean shot of who is speaking rather than such a fast pace of unnecessary cuts….But nonetheless I look forward to the rest of the series. You can always count on Vimeo for higher quality work.

  65. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 2:51 pm

    Hey FilmFellas,
    Great commentary.
    I want to go on record as not trying to hurt people’s dreams, visions or stories. You need to do what makes you happy. If telling your story on the big screen is what you need to do, then do it.

    I’m a businessman as well as a creative. I need to tell my story too. I just want to make a living doing it.

    Many of you are asking for the business model for the web. Here it is. It’s ever changing. If I tell you a potential model today, it may need to be changed within 6 months. Don’t look at what people are doing now, look at what you think the future will be and try to make it happen.

    When I started in production in 1980, I started doing weddings when nobody was doing them. The I shifted my model when weddings took off to POP Fashion Videos and talked people into doing those. Then shifted to corporate video and so on. It’s a giant chess match. In the 80’s a business model was good for 5 years. Today a model is good for 6 months.

    You need to see the trends which we will talk about in future episodes and adapt them to fit you, your business model and content. Be as creative with your business model as with your actual work. The business part can be fun too. But as I always say, for it to work, everything has to be in place including the business model, timing, luck and as always content will be king. It has to be great not good. 

    Just like your movie, let’s look at this as an exciting adventure that you are playing to win. More to come. Steve

  66. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 2:55 pm

    Jon,
    I understand where you are coming from. But I think we need to realize that it’s a long shot to only plan on making films to only be played in theaters. It’s great if you can do it, no argument here. What I am saying is that a good business model is to make a living in production doing whatever you can, corporate, commercials, TV, weddings, whatever. This way you get experience and make lots of mistakes along the way that you won’t have to make on your feature. The next episode delves more into this. It is certainly a lot better to me then having a day job not in film/video business and then making and making a movie once a year. Try to do both, if possible. Of course, aesthetically, the theater is a nice place to present your movie. We all agree on that. But there is no shame in presenting on television, DVD or the web. Hell, if you can make a living creating any kind of imagery, you’re doing better than most. 
    Steve

  67. Jonathan Entwistle on December 16th, 2009 2:57 pm

    I get where you are coming from, but the start of your comment seems to lean towards the idea that big screen fascination leads to less money. Like there is some ethereal quality to ‘big screen’ production.

    There is no comparison to motion pictures and ANY of the above (Weddings, corporate, Pop videos, Web). You are mixing apples and oranges. These are 2 different industries that, certainly for me in Europe, rarely mix – when they do it’s……. MTV  :(  which is like one giant promo wedding viral production. As many buzzwords as possible.

    Functioning professionally within 6 month business models is not good! People still want to watch movies in the traditional sense. Look at the Harry Potter franchise. It is incomparable to Web, corporate, TV etc. It’s a whole different world.

    You make money out of the big screen by having good scripts that are filled with people drama and are marketable within the motion picture screen. If your scipts, stories, directing, cinematography is good it will get noticed. If it’s only OK, then it won’t make it.

  68. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 2:59 pm

    Jon,
    I understand where you are coming from. But I think we need to realize that it’s a long shot to only plan on making films to only be played in theaters. It’s great if you can do it, no argument here. What I am saying is that a good business model is to make a living in production doing whatever you can, corporate, commercials, TV, weddings, whatever. This way you get experience and make lots of mistakes along the way that you won’t have to make on your feature. The next episode delves more into this. It is certainly a lot better to me then having a day job not in film/video business and then making and making a movie once a year. Try to do both, if possible. Of course, aesthetically, the theater is a nice place to present your movie. We all agree on that. But there is no shame in presenting on television, DVD or the web. Hell, if you can make a living creating any kind of imagery, you’re doing better than most. 
    Steve

  69. henriquedesousa on December 16th, 2009 3:01 pm

    As a young aspiring filmmaker, I am truly inspired by your video. I too want to live the dream…
    I think web-based content will certainly be the way to go in the near-future, but, as some have already said, the idea of having your film playing on the big screen, even with an audience of 1000 people, is something I’m really looking forward to.
    But I’ll certainly start with a simple web-series or some shorts that I’ll post online just to get my stuff out there.

  70. Christian Martir on December 16th, 2009 3:05 pm

    good stuff…

  71. J Meyer on December 16th, 2009 3:07 pm

    Wow, small world as I’ve had these same discussions with my group of creative colleagues. Looking forward to future installments and what I am able to take from these and apply going forward.

  72. Voxinabox on December 16th, 2009 3:09 pm

    Very interesting guys. However, the food must have been TERRIBLE! Looking forward to future webisodes though.

  73. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 3:10 pm

    my mum told me never to talk with my mouth full

  74. Charley Hoover on December 16th, 2009 3:12 pm

    I think the internet has opened up a lot of great ways to get content shown. Yes at first I was a little against it, weather it be someone taking my ideas or just being not a pristine way of showing content, but that has now changed. I’ve lived in Hollywood for a year and a haft now and I’ve been making movies since I was a kid. I want the theater system to stay alive. The internet will never be the same as watching a show with hundreds of people and all being on the same wave link. When chemistry like that takes effect it’s unlike. That’s the only reason traditional theatre still operates in an age where everything is not that, because there is nothing quite like watching a live performance in its own world and with many others at the same time. Like conventional theatre, the movie theater has its own world. However mostly due to good quality video and the technologies that are making viewing on the internet more pleasurable I’ve been opening up to it way more. I think the biggest thing is that it’s a great tool and from my perspective I want people to know about me and I’m a filmmaker.

  75. Timothy G. Ryan on December 16th, 2009 3:14 pm

    Thanks fellas! This will be followed. …And thanks again Phillip. Two out of two. Damnit, sleep is annoying.

  76. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 3:15 pm

    itunes will be active this week. We just released on the 1st and with the holidays, itunes comes next.

  77. Robert-Jon Eckhardt on December 16th, 2009 3:17 pm

    Great show, I love how video is getting professional online. With a show like this you guys are true pioneers.

    I can’t wait for the next episodes, and YEAH you’re on iTunes!! Good job, it shows you know what you’re doing.

    Subscribing NOW.

    [edit]
    I don’t get any hits in iTunes on ‘filmfellas’ or ‘zacuto’. I’m allready subscribed here on Vimeo, but I would appreciate it if you would supply an iTunes link when it’s on there.

  78. rickflick on December 16th, 2009 3:19 pm

    Fascinating. I keep an eye on this space.
    From BanDfilms – I can see a curious spectrum of film makers. The chumps like me who don’t try to make any money and chumps like you guys who are in it up to your elbows and feel you have to profit to continue. Forces tugging in both directions.

  79. BandDfilms on December 16th, 2009 3:21 pm

    Right at the end you all laugh at Steven, I thought that was funny. I really liked this video though, being and indie filmmaker. Even though most of it was about distribution, and getting your film seen (both of which I don’t really care about. I just make the movies because I enjoy it), I still liked the conversations. The information given was great even if it doesn’t directly effect me. Good job you guys

  80. Robert van Hoesel on December 16th, 2009 3:23 pm

    Wow, nice movie! I’m actually feeling like ‘I want to participate in that discussion’!

  81. Jama Noor on December 16th, 2009 3:26 pm

    Iv been on the internet since the mid 90s. So I have grown up with it. Its only now that the quality of video online is good enough. The internet provides far more opportunities for people to know about and see your films. you just have to be a bit smart.

    I own a ton of DVD from around the world, that if it was not for the Web i would have never heard of.

    Making a good film is the goal never mind what medium its on. The film industry has to adapt just as the music industry has too. There are far more options then the big hollywood movie. which become out of date very fast. I remember it used to be almost a year before films whent from Cinema to VHS Tape. Now people are consuming things at a faster rate. 

    If you want to make films for young people you have to realize that you need a more multi-targeted approach. Cinema is only one part of it. The internet is on not just on your Laptop, its on your Playstation, your phone, your car…everything. It all depends on who your targeting. 

    Mo matter what type of film your making there is always demand for it. You just have to know the people who want to see it. And no where is better for that then the internet. marketing, distribution, promotions, feedback, its all available for filmmakers online.

  82. Pollykore on December 16th, 2009 3:30 pm

    good stuff gentlemen. It raw talk about working in the industry. Very much like dinner for five. Its great t here different opinions and thoughts of people who are working in the industry. Keep it up. You should defiantly make it a longer discussion 7 17 really is much to shot, let us get in to it before cutting us off next time

  83. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 3:31 pm

    Jim, please dont take this the wrong way but cameras are kind of irrelovent to the concept of how to get indie filmmaking to any size screen and make a profit doing it. Picture quality is not why so many indie makers are having a hard time. And my show is really not a gear based show, it’s more summed up by how to make a living creating entertainment, no matter where it is screened. I don’t really know much about these new RED cameras but unless Mr. Jennard can start funding programming it’s not going to matter much when we get saturated with REDS and have no money to shoot with them. Income is the key.

  84. Jonathan Entwistle on December 16th, 2009 3:34 pm

    The most important thing that struck me after watching this interesting discussion is something about the physical ‘medium’ of cinema. Cinema is ‘cinema’ because it has been created by years of filmmaking…. for the theatre. This is the key point for me.

    Movies are made for the screen size – Panaflex lenses come in different focal legnths than are normally available. They come in 38mm, 62mm, 103mm for example, specifically for a large theatre screen. Giving the director chance to harness different shot sizes, specifically suited to the big screen , to tell his/her story.

    Just shooting stories and presenting it in moving images is not Cinema. Saving Private Ryan has not been made for YouTube, but for 35mm projection, in the dark, with sound wizzing around your head, bullets from the back. That is part of the story telling – the whole concept of deciding to utilise the theatre space is part of Cinema! 

    I just feel that any web-based moving image story telling will be different in style to anything we have seen before, specifically designed to represent the way we will be watching it.

    Just like lenses and aspect ratios, and even styles of film-making have over the years been designed and altered to augment the theatre experience a new technology and story-telling style will emerge to exist on the web.

    I look forward to the other clips

  85. Ray Anderson on December 16th, 2009 3:36 pm

    It’s curious. I’d read a few hours ago what you’ve said here about how images, sound, all that goes into the production of a piece, should fit the means of presentation, and I wanted to say emphatically how much I agreed with you. And then I thought: who am I with my dinky Photostories to stick my two cents in. And miracle of miracles, I saw your “Like” on my September 12 piece–just the one I had in mind when I said to myself that I’d tried to adhere to your dictum–and I said to myself that I’m going to tell this guy that I think he’s got it right.

    “I just feel that any web-based moving image story telling will be different in style to anything we have seen before, specifically designed to represent the way we will be watching it.”

    That’s the key. Thanks, Jonathan, for articulating it so well–and thanks for your appreciation of my clip.

  86. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 3:37 pm

    Jon/Ray,
    I would love to make a picture and have it play in a theater too. I can dig what you are saying about lenses, cinema and that. Hell, I come from releaseing on SD VHS and trying to get that to look good. That really sucked. There was no 24p, no 16×9, no gamma that looks like film, no DOF adapter. I guess my coming from that is what makes me so excited about what I can create on the internet. I watch all kinds of things on the interent and they look and feel amazing. The internet gives you an immediate international release. You can keep the content the way you like it. Yes, the theater is the best, but the internet is better then what I had and it’s going to get better every day.
      

  87. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 3:40 pm

    I promise we will eat more next time. That was the idea but it’s kind of hard to eat and talk when the shots are so CU. The food was all prepared by chef Joe Dugan and was excellent. The next casts menu will be spaghetti, salad, salmon and soup

  88. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 3:41 pm

    I had just come from lunch at a BBQ restaurant so that was my excuse for not eating the food. It did look pretty awesome though..

  89. Jim Cummings on December 16th, 2009 3:43 pm

    really great guys, you should discuss the new red releases and what that means for independent cinema in a declining economy. Will Indie be the new hollywood, now that people have become bored with the films we’re forcefed nowadays. Will the accessibility of these new cinematic quality cameras pull aside the curtain of Hollywood? Obviously, being a redman, I believe it will.  :)   

  90. Jonathan Hunt on December 16th, 2009 3:47 pm

    Brilliant discussion, I applaud you. I’ve been looking for a podcast akin to discussions like these, and I’m glad I stumbled across FilmFellas.

    And I’m sure I’m looking far too into this, but I noticed nobody ate anything. I think someone may have taken a swig of wine, but your meals remained pleasantly untouched. Shame really, it looks delicious.

  91. deanlines on December 16th, 2009 3:49 pm

    Love it! Brilliant stuff.. But come on. 6-7 minutes? It’s ridiculously short. Just as I start getting into it it’s over. You have be hooked and then leave me hanging.

    Keep up the good work fellas. But please make them longer..

  92. Glen K. Richards on December 16th, 2009 3:52 pm

    very cool. i agree with Collin, this is exactly what I have been talking about with my comrades lately and it is incredibly interesting to see intelligent gentleman talking about the same topics.

  93. Robin Thacker on December 16th, 2009 3:54 pm

    I gotta get more toys….. 

  94. Collin DavisI on December 16th, 2009 3:56 pm

    I could watch you fellows talk all day. These are conversations I’m having with my friends and I’m fascinated by them. Thanks for the video. 

  95. Mark Kammel on December 16th, 2009 3:57 pm

    wow, excellent job, i love the chill attitude with serious conversations. The 5 HVX200s made this quite nice to watch as well

  96. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 3:59 pm

    5 HVX200′s, one of them on a dolly with a Letus Elite and Zeiss ZF 35mm prime.

  97. Prashanna Jayaseelan on December 16th, 2009 4:00 pm

    what was this shot on? 

  98. Hunter H. Richards on December 16th, 2009 4:07 pm

    To answer the question about where I would want my stuff seen; nothing beats a huge screen in a theater (even if its just me and a few crew watching). 
    The way my young mind sees it; there are two kinds of content you can make, the kind that makes money and the kind that needs to be made, sometimes they overlap but often they don’t. I know how to distribute content for free on the internet, but what is the model for making money?

  99. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 4:10 pm

    Hunter, we are not saying which way is right way (theater, TV or internet), we are all just speaking to how we feel and the experiences we’ve had. There are many ways to make money with your video camera. You have to decide what it is you want. There is no one model for making money on the internet. Keep watching, we are going to be talking about some of these models in upcoming episodes. All of my guests have been great in really getting to heart of 21st Century “Indie Entertainment” marketing in every venue possible. Try to keep an open mind, realizing there are many paths to both indie financial success whilst keeping you integrity. Content is still and always king.

  100. Sean Cruser on December 16th, 2009 4:11 pm

    very very cool and interesting discussion.

  101. Jack Waldenmaier on December 16th, 2009 4:14 pm

    Hi Steve (& the rest of the Zacuto Guys)! 
    It’s Jack Waldenmaier over at The Music Bakery. 
    As I said, I absolutely LOVE the look of your video. 
    Can’t wait to see it with my music. 
    Although, I like this in-the-raw version too! 
    My best to you, Steve! 
    -Jack 
    musicbakery.com

  102. Hubert Duijzer on December 16th, 2009 4:18 pm

    Really? I believed everything he said

  103. Philip Bloom on December 16th, 2009 4:19 pm

    That Bloom fella doesn’t know what he is talking about!

  104. Hubert Duijzer on December 16th, 2009 4:20 pm

    Really? I believed everything he said.

  105. Greg Girardin on December 16th, 2009 4:23 pm

    Agreed. He didn’t even have the courtesy to turn off his English accent when talking to Americans! 
     
    I hear he knows a thing or two about 35mm lens adapters though  :)

  106. Joseph Stunzi, IENCE on December 16th, 2009 4:25 pm

    Oh Philip. Perhaps you’d be more convincing if you had a monocle or a giant afro? I’m glad you got the chance to be in this series!

  107. Josh Brooks on December 16th, 2009 4:29 pm

    Bloom where did you study?

  108. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 16th, 2009 4:30 pm

    I think that English chap is pretty smart

  109. david on December 16th, 2009 4:35 pm

    You know, I really love this show. I think Steve is great. And I really want to like it even more. But something is stopping me falling in love with it. Being a huge fan. Why? 
     
    I have told other filmmakers about it, and a LOT of them have came back with “lots of wanks on it”. More or less those wordss. 
     
    Well, I like to try and articulate a little more than that whats the problem for me. 
     
    I guess it’s the insecurity that seems to be coming through in some people, maybe because they go on the defensive because they don’t make feature films.  
     
    No matter what anybody says, there is that divide. Movie Makers can dismiss corp video makers, weddings, viral vids. But equaly, corp video makers also diss movie makers! And I think that is why a lot of movie makers don’t like the show. 
     
    I guess its that bullshit that spoils the whole show for me. I can appreciate EVERYBODY for what they do, but I can’t go the insecurity. It comes through, and spoils the show for me. I will continue to watch and plug it though. 
     
    cheers 
     
    David

  110. david on December 16th, 2009 4:35 pm

    Like watching your series, but boy oh boy, some of the dudes on this show are so pretentious and have got it so wrong! 
     
    The only dude I liked is Steve Weiss

  111. Sean Cruser on December 18th, 2009 12:19 pm

    oh man, really, i love everything you guys are saying. as a fresh, early graduate of film school (where production outside of courses was DISCOURAGED), i can say my work was better than other students because i had been doing video production since i was in jr. high and still made anything i could outside of the classroom. to further bring the point home: nothing on my reel is from class projects. we weren’t even encouraged to make a reel. it was all pretty surreal and ridiculous, ha. but after having such a frustrating time in film school (which i believe many people DO need), it is nice to hear comments from people actually working in the industry. so thanks again!

  112. osh Minogue on December 18th, 2009 12:22 pm

    Ok these are too short! Once I start getting drawn in it’s over..owell, I love the webisodes!

  113. Kevin Terrell on December 18th, 2009 12:25 pm

    Great video

    Love it 

    Thanks for using less dolly the second video
    It got to be a little much on the first one

  114. Stefan Neubig on December 18th, 2009 12:28 pm

    nice. looking forward for episode 3.

  115. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 12:33 pm

    Dan, you remind me of a young ambitious kid in the early 1980′s. Here a fun story along these lines. My producer and I were doing fashion videos (to be precise: 9 projector multi-image slide shows) for Christian Dior. Before video projection many companies opted for multi-image slide shows for projection at runway shows and conventions. The were very cool you could do effects and it was all automated to a click track on the soundtrack. Sounds primitive, but the resolution was “FILM” and fashion companies didn’t like how the garments looked on video. I’m going to try to find one of these shows that we transferred to video and post it on vimeo. 

    So we originally sold Christian Dior’s mens suits on doing this cool kind of 1940′s film Noir look, because that was the look of the line that year. After a year of doing shows for them they told us they wanted to have a more hip modern feel for their line, so we were cool with that. But the head designer said they wanted to hire some young guys to do it instead. I was like, “I am a young guy”, being 25 years old, but was perceived as the dude in the 1940′s. So you are correct, age is not really what I should have said. Experience will be my new word.

  116. Dan Dobi on December 18th, 2009 12:34 pm

    you need to let bloom and the younger guy talk more … also – highly disagree with the whole “i need to work with someone that’s over 35″ … how much sense does that make? with new technologies/internet/along with jobs being ALL over the place now a days, you would almost think that the younger guys are more ahead of the curve than the old school guys. i’m 25, shot 35mm, 16mm, RED, and every digital camera under the sun … would you not work with me because of my age? here’s my reel: dandobi.com/reel-sizzle.mov

  117. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 12:37 pm

    am not old school Dan but am over 35!!

  118. Dan Dobi on December 18th, 2009 12:42 pm

    hah – that specific comment wasn’t directed at you : )

  119. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 12:43 pm

    Actually, Dan I was the one that made that comment. But I may have to recant it after watching your work. You are definitely a shooter and yes, I would love to work with you. I was trying to make a point, although sometimes I tend to go overboard. The point being that experience is important. I’m 46 years old and literally never had the options to make a movie in the 1980’s and 90’s. A bit jealous of you younger folks but also trying to make a point. A lot of young filmmakers are shooting films which don’t really give you daily experience of shooting, editing, etc. The point is get out and do other things along with your films and try to earn your total living with whatever kind of film/video work you can get. This to me is far superior to working a day job and making a movie once a year. Thank you for allowing me to clarify. I hope you can hang in there, we go to some crazier places in the upcoming webisodes

  120. Dan Dobi on December 18th, 2009 12:44 pm

    Steve – all good my man! i totally respect you along with this series, i think it’s great & am looking forward to future episodes … i might have come off a little rude earlier, so i apologize if what i said came off snappy. Because of age, i feel some people “put you in a box” and it’s a stereotype that i hope one day will shatter, but to your credit, age = experience … (or number of years working we should say)

    it’s often that with first time clients, i’ll purposely push BACK face to face meetings until i get a deposit because when people see a young face, their first reaction is “whoa, he’s a kid”. I get that, I’m not dumb, it’s part of the game. i think what you guys said it best in this episode “let me see your reel” is really what should count regardless of age, resume, school, etc.

    Reel is everything. I think we agree on that! Please keep these videos going … looking forward to more!

    VERY respectively, 

    dd

  121. Some Like It Shot on December 18th, 2009 12:49 pm

    We are living in SUCH an exciting time, sites like this and exposure room and even HD youtube are giving creative people outlets to have their work shown. Embrace it and spend your free time making stuff. You’ll only get better and better. Exposure room comments are generally more critical, but sometimes you get good constructive criticism here too and that is so important.

  122. David M. Wexler on December 18th, 2009 12:50 pm

    Another fun informative episode. I love your comments about experience and/with age (not hiring a DP under 35). I do have to say I wish I had the chutzpa like these young people starting out. As I did when everything was new and fresh. I bring enthusiasm to the job but, I’m not out there trying new things everyday like the newbies . Responsibilities!  :)

  123. David M. Wexler on December 18th, 2009 12:51 pm

    Steve,
    Another fun informative episode. I love your comments about experience and/with age (not hiring a DP under 35). I do have to say I wish I had the chutzpa like these young people starting out. As I did when everything was new and fresh. I bring enthusiasm to the job but, I’m not out there trying new things everyday like the newbies . Responsibilities!  :)  

    Great Stuff

  124. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 12:52 pm

    One overhead softbox with a 1 foot duvotine lip hanging down to contain the light falloff. The white table cloth helps a lot with bounce to fill in faces.

  125. Phil Blauw on December 18th, 2009 1:01 pm

    A lighting question: How did you light your stage for the webisodes? China Balls?

  126. Phil Blauw on December 18th, 2009 1:02 pm

    These are really gaining momentum. I’m a vet of the business and really into these webisodes. Like most, I really liked the comments regarding school. As someone who currently also works part time in the collegiate ranks, I can really relate. Unfortunately, I think too many students think that by having the tools at hand they are professional. As Dirty Harry said, “A man’s got to know his limitations”. Exactly as you guys pointed out, the newbies have years of mistakes to make before they are really ready. When they learn to embrace that, they will gain a lot of respect from other pros.

  127. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 1:04 pm

    great video, i go to a film school “Five towns college” on long island and its a 4 year bfa degree. I do lik eit alot becouse it gives me good head on how to approach certain things and as well as have a huge selection of equitment for my use almost whenever. One thing that is prob the biggest plus to a film school is the ability to use equitment such as sr3 16mm film cameras and expensive gear and lightning one normally would not be able to use and learn properly hands on at the age of 18. you guys made alot of great points to the video good job!

  128. Steven Dadouche on December 18th, 2009 1:07 pm

    John, definitely. I think the most important thing, film school or not, is that you have to physically get your hands on equipment, get out there and keep shooting. The barrier to entry is getting smaller as far as camera costs are concerned, however it is still a significant amount to shoot with equipment close to what the pros are using today. If its school, a friend, interning, volunteering whatever way is available that lets you get some hands on time with experienced people is, in my opinion, a viable avenue.

  129. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 1:09 pm

    Thanks Steve. I agree with you 100%. If you can get it use it!

  130. Emmanuel Etim on December 18th, 2009 1:10 pm

    Same here. I am hooked. From Mr Bloom’s experience on wedding videos and doing 3 and calling it quits, to realizing that these conversations are close to same that I am having with my mentors and peers. Thanks to all of you.

  131. Alan Bradley on December 18th, 2009 1:12 pm

    <img style=”cursor: pointer; float: left; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://assets.vimeo.com/portraits/defaults/d.75.jpg” title=”Alan Bradley”/>Alan Bradley 11 months ago DeleteO.K., I’m hooked. I am seriously bummed when it ends. Now I’m waiting for the next one.

  132. Barak Epstein on December 18th, 2009 1:14 pm

    nice webseries. only, are they ever gonna eat that food in front of them!? I say either let them eat or start shooting it after theyve eaten… ie, they still drink wine but have empty plates.

  133. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 1:15 pm

    Yes, funny about the food. When we shot these episodes everyone was so enthralled with each other that I don’t think anyone ever realized there was food. 

    Starting with webisode 5 most of the NEW cast wolfed the food down before we even started, they showed up hungry and thought we were really having lunch. 

    We tested it and it’s kind of gross seeing people shot in a CU and watching and hearing them eat food. The food is kind of pretty to look at, so having it all missing would lose something.

  134. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 1:16 pm

    OK, in a nutshell here it is. Yes, we have 5 cameras, they all have operators, 4 cameras are stationed in or around the four corners of our stage, then we have a dolly on track wrapping around the table and chairs. The tricky part is the dolly can be blocking one or two cameras at any one time, so you need to have a good reaction shots to cut to. We roll all of the cameras once and I clap my hands for a sync point. All of the cameras are put into Final Cut and aligned to the sync point. The editor edits the show carving the stories from what is said. When we finish the dialogue bed the you can literally switch the show live with the multi-cut feature in Final Cut picking the shots that are best for each particular moment. The interesting thing is that every shot, every reaction you see is really what happened at that moment.

  135. Grandparents.com on December 18th, 2009 1:18 pm

    Can you provide any insight on how you make these videos? My company has been asking me to shoot round table discussions for months. How many cameras are you using? Do they all have operators? Are you using a dolly track for the moving wide shots? BTW, I like the black background compared to some of your older round table videos. Nice not seeing the cameras anymore.

  136. Peter Olejnik on December 18th, 2009 1:21 pm

    O, the internet…it’s defiantly changing the medium in so many ways. 

    As for the learning curves, I agree, there’s always much to learn. However, since time is money, the trick is to find out first what you’re good at, and then exploit your talents. 

    For instance, I am learning that hiring might be a wiser solution—may take a bit of humility, but it’s worth it. Let’s face it…there are just some people that are more gifted in what they do, plus, it can give you more time to focus on what you do best.

  137. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 1:22 pm

    There is so much to learn, I really am learning every day. Almost 20 years after I turned pro. Watch and learn whenever you get the opportunity, offer your services for free as an assistant. The rewards are often far more valuable than being paid!!!

    The other thing is just keep shooting. I have started another little film comp to get people off of their backsides. Zacuto have kindly offered to co-sponsor it. Go to my websitephilipbloom.co.uk to learn more. It’s a lot more fun than sitting on the net watching other peoples’ work!

  138. Londonmark Films on December 18th, 2009 1:24 pm

    Yes….I agree with Phil offer your services for free it really works you can learn so much. I can vouch for this and immerse yourself in films, read, watch, learn, and dissect films by people that inspire you. Learn techniques from books, courses everything, and join Philip’s competition…and use the internet as it’s free, and it’s great for exposure. and then you can build yourself look at what I am doing londonmarkfilms.com I am changing my life after many years in business to something I truly love and enjoy.

  139. henriquedesousa on December 18th, 2009 1:25 pm

    Fantastic episode!
    I’m currently in film school but I feel that I learn a lot more from doing my own stuff. This course has been a great experience and I’ve been learning a lot about the History of film, film theory, etc. But everytime I film a short video with my friends, I feel like I learn so much more. This “trial and error” process has been a lot more useful than a whole year of film school.
    I still plan on doing a 1 or 2-year filmmaking course just to learn more about lighting, editing, etc.

  140. Robert-Jon Eckhardt on December 18th, 2009 1:30 pm

    This made my hair rise all over my body (in a good way!) and my heart skipped a beat when you said you don’t care for film school degrees (once again, in a good way).

    This may sound stupid, but basically this confirmed I’m on the right track. I’m writing, shooting, testing, editing, tweaking, practising on a daily basis and just learning my own ass off. And uploading everything from the little tests to full short film productions for critiques.

    Well and the production of this series is just excellent, this is such a pleasure to watch. I’m sure I’m not the only one who’d love to see a making off of this.  ;)  I’m especially wondering how you did the lighting, the absolutely black background is so wonderfull.

    Only one negative thing, I can’t believe you’re putting these eps out in such a slow pace. Is that because of the time it takes to edit them, or are you just trying to torture me?
    Oh and again, no eating?  ;)

  141. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 1:31 pm

    Robert, thank you for your support. Yes, the editing is a pretty serious endeavor and our editor George Patey is taking an hour and 15 minutes worth of footage and cutting it down to 4 webisodes. It really takes a couple of days to finish one webisode and he is a pretty in demand fella. Last week we shot Cast two, it’s going to be riveting. People said things I never thought they would say. Stay tuned. You can see a behind the scenes photo here: zacuto.blogspot.com/

  142. Robert-Jon Eckhardt on December 18th, 2009 1:35 pm

    Ok thanks.

    I’m definitely staying tuned. And since I found the show on iTunes now I will even receive it on my iPhone, may I miss it in my Vimeo-subscriptions. (Which I find very unlikely.)

    Keep up the good work!

  143. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 1:38 pm

    pleased to hear you are out there DOING it. It’s totally the way I believe. Keep at it!! Phil

  144. Olimpiu on December 18th, 2009 1:39 pm

    Nice! Thanks!

  145. Stephen Lewis on December 18th, 2009 1:41 pm

    Love this, 
    I am suffering through a film theory class right now at UCSB, not liking it… too much Karl Marx and not enough Groucho Marx… if you know what I mean.

  146. Joseph Stunzi, IENCE on December 18th, 2009 1:42 pm

    GREAT Video Steve. I’m excited to see where FilmFellas is developing and heading. I can’t wait for Cast Two and for the next Cast One episode.

  147. josef hrehorow on December 18th, 2009 2:04 pm

    Some interesting points made there! from what I can see it seems there is a bubble (online) of these people who are obsessed with what people are shooting with rather then what they are actually shooting..

  148. Matthew Brown on December 18th, 2009 2:10 pm

    You guys are a lot of inspiration to me. Some of my teachers and friends get on my case because I can’t afford the most expensive equipment (I use Sony Vegas and an HV30). I’m trying to make a lot of videos with my cheap equipment to show people that quality comes from the filmmaker and not all about the technical aspect of their camera. Thanks for keeping my rhythm going. I really appreciate! You guys are really a big inspiration to me, and I thank you again, haha. Take care. -Matt

  149. Robin Thacker on December 18th, 2009 2:11 pm

    I’m gonna start a ‘Film Discussion Dinner Series’ in my area

  150. Brad C on December 18th, 2009 2:12 pm

    I just wanna say thanks for making these downloadable. I’m renaming them mp4′s and throwing them on the PS3 and watching them on my Sony Bravia where they look great!

  151. Tony Reale on December 18th, 2009 2:15 pm

    Great episode guys. I do agree that sometimes it’s a good idea to invest in better gear up front (mainly a good camera) so you can learn on that gear. It’s like the difference between learning to edit on iMovie vs Final Cut. Yeah you can do it, but no one will hire you to edit something on iMovie

  152. Tony Reale on December 18th, 2009 2:16 pm

    <img style=”cursor: pointer; float: left; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://images.vimeo.com/11/53/47/115347760/115347760_75.jpg” title=”Tony Reale”/>Tony Reale Great episode guys. I do agree that sometimes it’s a good idea to invest in better gear up front (mainly a good camera) so you can learn on that gear. It’s like the difference between learning to edit on iMovie vs Final Cut. Yeah you can do it, but no one will hire you to edit something on iMovie.

  153. Drew Hall on December 18th, 2009 2:17 pm

    I enjoy the series immensely. I have been working in film and broadcast for 10 years and have decided to go get my MFA to teach. For me I learn best through teaching…any advice Peter?

  154. Bret Douglas on December 18th, 2009 2:18 pm

    Hey Steve, thanks for making this episode available for download. Can you make the first two installments available as well?

  155. Earl Nottingham on December 18th, 2009 2:20 pm

    Guys, thanks for a very informative series. I’d love to know your lighting setup for the guys around the table; very simple yet effective.

  156. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 2:22 pm

    one soft box with siders directly above the table. The white table cloth helps fill in as well. That’s it.

  157. J. Lauri Filmworks on December 18th, 2009 2:24 pm

    Great series guys. I look forward to each webisode.

  158. Bret Douglas on December 18th, 2009 2:25 pm

    Why aren’t these available for download?
    I like to download clips and watch them on my TV (via WD’s cool little WD HD unit), rather than on the computer.

  159. Sean Cruser on December 18th, 2009 2:26 pm

    smart guys.

  160. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 2:30 pm

    I love this series.

    Reminds me of Dinner for Five.

    Wish I had a group of filmmaking buddies I could hang out with taking about filmmaking.

  161. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 2:31 pm

    Start Taking Ryan, that’s what we are all doing here hanging out and talking about filmmaking.

  162. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 2:34 pm

    Yeah, but I mean talk face to face. It is fun to talk online about it and give each other feedback, but it’s so much more fun when you can actually sit down with that person and talk about filmmaking while having a beer

  163. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 2:35 pm

    Agreed but is there on topic you’d like to discuss and where are you from?

  164. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 2:39 pm

    is what on topic?

  165. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 2:41 pm

    Sorry, Is their a topic you would like to discuss?

  166. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 2:42 pm

    Oh, no, not at the moment…. I am very opinionated.. especially when it comes to filmmaking and so if I hear, or read a conversation that I can contribute to then I’ll chime in…. if you have anything you want to discuss then feel free to contact me…..

    I think a great topic for your next FilmFellas would be about Film School and why someone should, or shouldn’t go to one…. I already have an opinion, I just think it’d be cool to hear your guys’ views.

  167. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 2:44 pm


    Schools was really the topic of webisode 2:vimeo.com/2831148

  168. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 2:45 pm

    Oh, I don’t remember that…. Maybe I skipped two on accident after 1 and went straight to three…..

  169. Alex Newson on December 18th, 2009 2:51 pm

    Very true

  170. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 2:52 pm

    great advice, it’s cool to see that you guys actually care that your equipment is used in the best ways possible and for the right reasons.

  171. Kevin Terrell on December 18th, 2009 2:55 pm

    Very true

    there is a lot of junk

    you don’t need stuff to make you films look good

  172. rick fiduccia on December 18th, 2009 2:56 pm

    You are correct – give them good stuff, they come back!
    Give them garbage, they go away. 

    REMEMBER: 
    Take care of the client and the money will follow

  173. Stephen Lewis on December 18th, 2009 2:58 pm

    Great discussion!

  174. Dennis Tzeng on December 18th, 2009 2:59 pm

    Love this series, hopefully you guys keep making them.

  175. Josh Gooden on December 18th, 2009 3:00 pm

    Thank you for sharing this! As an eighteen year old filmmaker, it is very inspiring to hear the fantastic topics discussed from such a great panel. I really hope you continue to shine a light on this next generation of filmmaking with more web episodes in the future!

  176. Londonmark Films View details on December 18th, 2009 3:02 pm

    Hi Steve, thanks for sharing this. It’s a great series this and so much wise words which I wish were around when I decided to start. However Philip steered me in the right direction through his support and very kind advice. 

    My production ‘Behind the Night’ was weeks of pre-production planning on scripts, actors auditions, scouting locations, agreements and permissions to film. You are right on the money when you say that a lot of time and effort goes into telling a story. Not to mentioned storyboarding, a plan of shots, lighting. For me the production before hand is everything. 

    Today it is so easy to go out and shoot but with a little planning you can create a fantastic production that other people can relate too. Then not forgetting everything can be made so much better in the editing process but if you don’t have the right take and shots it doesn’t matter and you will never make it any better. 

    So well done in what I can say is truly very good words of advice for all those budding filmmakers. Listen up everyone out there because these guys are giving away invaluable advice for free.

    Best wishes 
    Mark 
    londonmarkfilms.com

  177. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 3:04 pm

    Mark, it’s amazing what you are doing. Giving up a v successful career to pursue your dreams. You are incredibly passionate about it and am certain you will make it.

  178. Londonmark Films on December 18th, 2009 3:20 pm

    Thanks Phil

  179. Towle Neu | TALLGRASS FILMS on December 18th, 2009 3:22 pm

    And I was just going to buy thousands of dollars worth of Zacuto gear! I better refocus…  :) Thanks for this series. All great stuff. 

  180. gary nadeau on December 18th, 2009 3:24 pm

    bravo. thanks for the series.

  181. condition:human on December 18th, 2009 3:30 pm

    I couldn’t agree more!

    Cinema is interesting in that, similar to music, it dynamically shifts between art and entertainment. Hollywood delivers both types of films, and the best films are a mixture of both. Inevitably, strong story and performance will prevail as they always have.

    Great discussion!

  182. Joseph Stunzi, IENCE on December 18th, 2009 3:38 pm

    i like the shoutout in this!!!!

  183. Tony Reale on December 18th, 2009 3:39 pm

    Another great episode. It would be great if actors held their DPs with the same regard…Mr. Bale…

  184. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 3:40 pm

    Yeah, really. The DP should have walked and said you shoot the scene Batman.

  185. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 3:43 pm

    Indeed he should….. i also recall Mr. Bale making 20 million for the terminator. As well as beating his mother and sister. honestly i don’t even know what to say about this guy. 

    FANTASTIC EPISODE once again btw guys i really appreciate people putting up conversations that i love talking about!. 

    I think i am gonna start cooking up a pasta dish when viewing these hah

  186. Ryan Mackfall [CBP] on December 18th, 2009 3:45 pm

    seems like all that shouting on terminator has apparently amounted to nothing, I’ve yet to see the film yet.

    Steve this is a great episode, for me, its amazing to hear you guys talking this stuff. I’m 25 and working in a lot of live music but moving into film soon. I hope I can build the same grounding as you guys.

  187. Przemek P. on December 18th, 2009 3:46 pm

    Really great stuff! Can’t wait for the cast two…

    BTW Boogie Nights is definitely one of the greatest movies i’ve seen. ;-)

  188. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 3:48 pm

    I agree on Boogie Nights it’s hightly under-rated. It has a lot of innovative camerawork and editing. But I’m also a huge fan of the Original “Planet of the Apes” Franklin Shaffner’s masterpiece. Unbelievable direction, camerawork, music, editing and concept.

  189. Przemek P. on December 18th, 2009 3:52 pm

    Well… being a huge SciFi fan i must CONFESS i haven’t seen it yet, but i will certainly correct that soon. ;-)
    Also speaking about SciFi and innovative camerawork and editing, my personal favourite is new Battlestar Galactica – i fell in love with it from the first episode i saw.

  190. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 3:53 pm

    in my top 3 that one Steve

  191. zack mctee on December 18th, 2009 3:54 pm

    thanks for sending the recommend, I wouldn’t have known when this was out otherwise, keep em coming!

    -zack

  192. Stephen Lewis on December 18th, 2009 3:55 pm

    Absolutely terrific discussion!

  193. Rick Horton on December 18th, 2009 3:57 pm

    I don’t agree that there has to be any heated arguing on a set before a good film is made. That being said, my favorite director is Terry Gilliam and every film he’s ever done is a battle, tooth and nail, with his producers. His DP though, usually never has to even have dialog with Terry. They have an almost telepathic relationship. The Director’s DP has to be (the way I see it) pretty much of the same mind as the director, but for checks and balance, or crossing T’s and dotting I’s. 
    I have a different take on creating your own style too. The way I see it, it is impossible not to have your own style, even if you were to blatantly try and be like somebody. Every director is ultimately TRAPPED in his own creativity. The best thing to do as a director is to do what inspires you, and not be afraid to be influenced by other great directors. Like I said, you’ll end up with your own look no matter what anyhow.

  194. Brad C on December 18th, 2009 3:58 pm

    You guys are letting your food get cold…..

    Man, I was watchin this with my kids around and Steve drops an F Bomb! Jens must bring out the best in ya..

    haha

  195. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 3:59 pm

    Ohhh. Sorry about that Brad. I didn’t think kids might be watching. I’m a Dad and I wouldn’t like that either. Very sorry, I’ll clean it up in the future.

  196. Brad C on December 18th, 2009 4:00 pm

    hahahaha Steve, it’s ok man. She didn’t even notice. Daddy was just “watching a boring video on the Playstation again” in her eyes I’m sure. 

    Just playful harassment! 

    I am finding just now that I’m getting into videography/cinematography that I’m appreciating older films and even new ones coming down the line. I may not always agree with the CONTENT of the movie, but every other aspect is now heavily appreciated. I watch things will a whole new perspective now.

  197. Sean Cruser on December 18th, 2009 4:03 pm

    another great entry into this. and whenever people say ‘develop your own style’ i always think of Wes Anderson. he totally makes his own movies and that’s what will make or break the audience about to watch the film. 

    also, PTA and Boogie Nights are the shit.

  198. Londonmark Films on December 18th, 2009 4:10 pm

    Steve, Phil and all, 

    some very interesting points are raised here in this discussion. Steve is right to say that you must have you own style and to be type casted this is born out of your approach to framing, camera angles, building and telling the story. Irrespective of influences and styles from your favourite Directors or DP’s you will always film it your way. My homage to Philip, Richmond Lock vimeo.com/871713 was inspired by the location and his choice of framing in his original concept of the same name. Yet despite this my style comes through in my short.

    Philip is also right it doesn’t always have to be dialogue to be classed as a film, many examples exists who can forget Sergio Leone ‘Once Upon Time in the West’ the opening scenes! The themes and motifs created visually yet so descriptive and speaking volumes.

    Working as I do currently, I approach this in two ways directing, a very collaborative approach all cross board taking ideas and creative input from actors and crew. Second when communicating isn’t enough and those around you don’t understand the vision means a very driven approach keeping integrity to the concept.

    Today we as Directors also need be aware of the entire process, editing, filming, directing, sound and lighting. Only then can we truly achieve our visions in the best possible way. Knowing your limitations of what is, and is not possible, makes for a more realistic project with higher production values. Why? Because you have approached this being aware of what will be required to make something good, ultimately translating and transcending your message on screen and to the audience. 

    A great series Steve, one I think you should be proud of.

    Best wishes 
    Mark
    londonmarkfilms.com

  199. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 4:11 pm

    I agree with the idea of least amount of dialogue as possible for short and some feature films.

    When a film of any type can symbolize and tell a story with the shots used rather than the words, i think is film telling way that can be really cool.

  200. VATER ENTERTAINMENT FILMS on December 18th, 2009 4:12 pm

    What camera was used for this?

  201. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:14 pm

    5 HVX200a’s and 1 HPX170 on a dolly with a Letus Elite and Zeiss ZF 35mm lens

  202. VATER ENTERTAINMENT FILMS on December 18th, 2009 4:15 pm

    Why so many camera’s?

  203. Some Like It Shot on December 18th, 2009 4:16 pm

    Only way to get 4 clean singles, also one cutaway camera, one dolly camera.

  204. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:19 pm

    actually thinking about it I thought we only had 5 cameras. the four singles and the dolly…

  205. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:20 pm

    you’re right, Phil. I forgot, we added the 6th camera for cast two. We shot cast two a while ago and I mixed the two shoots up. I’m getting old.

  206. VATER ENTERTAINMENT FILMS on December 18th, 2009 4:21 pm

    Wow! You can do in with 3 cameras but a lot of editing.

  207. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:22 pm

    My favourite episode. Just worried that the director i talked about will see this! whoops! Never yack on camera after a few glasses of wine!

  208. Ed David on December 18th, 2009 4:23 pm

    Hey! You’re talking about me. Just kidding. Hear you about being careful what you say on film though :)

  209. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:24 pm

    I hope you are better now than when I worked with you last time Ed :-)

  210. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:24 pm

    am almost certain one person I mentioned has seen this and it upset with me…I never could take my booze!

  211. Ryan Gibson on December 18th, 2009 4:26 pm

    I can’t wait to see what the next cast has to bring to the table (no pun intended).

  212. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:28 pm

    am sure the quality will dip :-)

  213. Gavin Duffy on December 18th, 2009 4:30 pm

    i love this webisode, you guys are genius

  214. William Rich on December 18th, 2009 4:32 pm

    I enjoyed this series very much! I can relate a lot to Philips upbringing in the business.. I started in TV news as an editor.. then sound tech.. and worked my way up into shooting (as they called it back then) in TV news. I can also relate to Philips comments about not being able to afford personal gear back in the day.. My avatar is a picture of me back in 86/87 with an Ikegami 79D.. there was no way I could think to afford this camera in it’s day. I remember the ike 79E was known as the $100K camera! and it had to be connected to a seperate 3/4″ tape deck.. that was state of the art back then!
    I still shoot today (at that same network I started at in 1983).. 
    using either BetaSX or XDCAM.. both gorgeous cameras in their own rights.. 
    I am purchasing a little Canon HV30 to play around with on my own after looking at the videos that little $500. camera produces! it’s amazing!
    It’s easy to imagine the possiblities..

    People like Mr. Blooms make videography look easy. But study the texture of his shots.. the color.. the composition.. the seamless flow and pace of the editing..
    did you notice he uses hard cuts rather than dissolves or transition effects? this is the sign of an experienced shooter/editor (sorry if the term ‘shooter’ offends)

    I really liked the point made about a 16 year old kid wants to spend 10,000L on gear and thinks that makes him a DP.. 
    My suggestion would be to use that money to learn the craft hands-on.. get a job in a small shop and make the ‘rookie mistakes’.. become consistant.. learn how to operate their camera.. then learn to become a photographer.. then put the two together..
    Then.. learn about audio..
    then learn about lighting..
    then learn about background..
    foreground..
    lighting background/foreground.. 
    how to use your lens..
    etc…
    this is a constant learning process… 
    Here I am after 25 years in the biz.. and still loving it!

  215. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:33 pm

    Great comments Will. We have serveral HD79D’s & E’s hanging on the walls here at Zacuto HQ. For a guy like you it’s like a museum of cameras here. Every office, every room has vintage 1950′s – 1990′s production cameras on the walls. I really need to get some photos of these on the web.

    I couldn’t agree with you more. Phil’s work is wonderful, excellent screen direction, lighting, composition & editing. You’re preaching to the choir, that’s why we love having Phil in our videos. But more then that he’s just a very nice guy. We are coming out with a new webisodic series called Zacuto Indie Basic Trainging and Phil will be featured in some of these videos. Thanks for the great comments, Steve

  216. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:34 pm

    cheers william. Am glad you like my editing, it’s a big part of what I love. A very famous editor once said to me “phil, a dissolve to an editor is an admission of failure”. So many people stick dissolves in between every shots when they don’t need to. I learnt to edit front panel tape to tape, so a dissolve was a treat when we could have access to three machine. With the advent of NLE transitions are by far the most overused and worst thing to happen to editing. Don’t get me wrong, i use transitions, for effect. I also use dissolves too (sometimes when my edit has failed!!) :)

  217. William Rich on December 18th, 2009 4:35 pm

    It’s nice to see that some of the old-school ‘tape to tape’ editors are still kicking around!
    I personally have found that my upbringing in editing has taught me to ‘edit’ in the camera as I shoot. (especially on news/feature stories). I had the distinct pleasure of working with some of the best shooters in the US a few years back.. (several NPPA Nat’l Photogs of the year winners) and it was such a rewarding experience personally and professionally. I can’t begin to tell you how much I grew as a photographer.. Now I have the artists here on vimeo to study.. in the world of News photography (at least where I work).. the words color-grading.. 24p.. film-like.. 16×9 are never spoken or even understood.. my goal is to introduce these concepts to them..

  218. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:36 pm

    Interesting Phil,
    I too was an editor first, Director second. Back in the day we used to refer to dissolves as a change in time. So if you want to go from now to tomorrow you could dissolve. A cut is in real time. From this second to the next second. 

    Coinsidentally, A few weeks back we had a kid editing one our videos (didn’t go to well) and in one scene he cut from a shot of me talking to a shot of me taking and put a dissolve in. I said, you don’t put a dissolve there, you are telling the viewer that it’s a later time (when it really wasn’t), here’s the fun part I left out (he had 5 other in-sync cameras to cut too) Lazy.

  219. William Rich on December 18th, 2009 4:37 pm

    Thanks Steve! I look forward to see some of those relics from the past! How fun was it back then! The rules were different shooting with a tube camera! :)
    I also look forward to the new series!

  220. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:39 pm

    Funny you say that, Jens and I were just talking today about how great it would have been back in the day had we had:
    1. HD
    2. 24p
    3. 16×9
    4. Cine gamma looks
    5. Cheap lightweight dollies
    6. Vimeo to present it on instead of VHS

    But we used filters and the tools we could to make things look film’ish using a JVC KY1900 & KY320 tube cameras. I was showing all of the guys in rentals the other day how we used to register the tubes with a tweaker. :)

  221. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:39 pm

    Will, 
    I found some pics of Zacuto HQ and some of the cameras we have hanging that Joe Stunzi shot when he was here in November and you can see them here:zacutoimages.com/p709661843

  222. William Rich on December 18th, 2009 4:41 pm

    Wow! those cameras bring back the memories!!
    My first gig in TV was at a tiny local indy in Atlanta back in 82 which had 1(one) RCA TK76 (I saw you had one hanging on the wall).. and one set of bogan sticks that was held together by gaffers tape.. back then the station was owned by the CBN and we used to gather around the TK76 and pray it worked before each shoot!!
    My next gig was at CNN and used a Sony 330 connected to the monster sony 110 3/4 deck then later to the BVP3a w/beta deck.. then up to DC and worked at Potomac TV in 89 and used the Ike79D hooked up to the smaller Sony 50 deck which was lucky since I was one man band
    Then to Conus DC and had the JVC KY15.. (we used to laugh that we needed the KY for bending over for the boss!) then to San Diego and the horrible world of SuperVHS and M2.. they later switched to beta.. then rounded things back to CNN and off to the new world of SonySX and now XDCAM..
    Those pics really brought back memories! 
    Thanks for posting those Steve!!!

  223. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:43 pm

    You’re welcome Will. I’ve used a lot of the same cameras you’ve mentioned. We are going to be releasing a new video “The Definitive HPX300 video” on Monday and when we were making the video yesterday, John Terendy, who is a producer in Chicago and in the video was also talking about the old days of lugging around a BVU80 3/4″ recorder and that reminded me to get these pics up for you. Glad you enjoyed them.

  224. Bruce Tritton on December 18th, 2009 4:45 pm

    I can’t stop watching these. Will you be selling a DVD of these and your new series (Zacuto Indie Basic Training) Steve?

    I would definitely pay to watch this stuff as there is probably thousands of dollars worth of info just in this one vid for us newbies.

  225. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:47 pm

    Could be a market there Steve. It would sort out my Christmas presents for this year. A DVD with me on it. What more could someone want!?

  226. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:50 pm

    I showed my wife Lucy your restaurant video and even she is like “boy your English friend can shoot”. And now she wants to come to England on vacation. Bloom, your talent is starting to cost me some money. DVD’s I think not, you can watch the videos for free on the internet and download the original HD files. With that I think people should be able to get enough of Philip Bloom ;o)

  227. Londonmark Films on December 18th, 2009 4:51 pm

    Phil is so humble! when are we going to have the bloom masterclass Film??

  228. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 4:56 pm

    Masterclass Hmmmm… Don’t worry Mark, we are going to have the Bloom Master ….. b…a…tor class, wanna sign up? ;o) I have a feeling we are stroking this guy so much he is going to lose his head.

  229. Philip Bloom on December 18th, 2009 4:58 pm

    With our pound worth about 15 cents there has never been a cheaper time to come to the UK, probably not since 1856 or something!!

  230. Jay Shropshire on December 18th, 2009 5:00 pm

    I like these, you hit a lot of stuff on the dot. I do wish you would have some hardcore DP’s that shoot only on film for their imput as well. My teacher Clark Harris knows DP Stephen Campbell real well and he is an amazingly nice guy. Maybe you could try to pull him for your next one. He talked to our class and he was just so interesting to listen about all the big projects he has worked on and things he has learned through out the years.

    Oh and I am happy to tell you that I will be shooting on your american rig with a magic arm with a sony ex3 or hvx and letus ultimate for my first independent film for miami film festival. Looking forward to trying your set up out.

    Thanks, 
    J

  231. GROCERYBAG.TV on December 18th, 2009 5:05 pm

    This is the only show worth watching online.

  232. John P. Fitzpatrick on December 18th, 2009 5:05 pm

    out Of Curiosity Who’s idea was it to pitch the idea for these Webisode’s ?

  233. Zacuto USA, Steve Weiss on December 18th, 2009 5:06 pm
  234. Colin Cabalka on December 18th, 2009 5:08 pm

    Im thinking there should be a Legit button that we can all click.

  235. Jon Raymond on December 18th, 2009 5:09 pm

    Steve, stop with the self loathing on your age. You’re a young guy. But you’re making me feel old. It’s just a number. Love your work here.

  236. Brent Murray, Ascent Imagery on December 18th, 2009 5:10 pm

    <img style=”cursor: pointer; float: left; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px initial initial;” src=”http://images.vimeo.com/11/34/07/113407502/113407502_75.jpg” title=”Brent Murray, Ascent Imagery”/>Brent Murray, Ascent Imagery 5 months ago DeleteThese shows are fantastic. I keep feeling like jumping into the conversation.

  237. Tyler Frankling on April 5th, 2010 12:44 pm

    They didn’t eat much…

    Great series, some good information.

  238. Hiram Fleitas on June 4th, 2010 4:39 pm

    In response to FilmFellas Cast 1: webospde 1 ……. what do you guys think about this?

    D8 Video: James Cameron Talks Movie Release Window
    http://video.allthingsd.com/video/d8-video-james-cameron-talks-movie-release-window/83EE9950-9FE1-4982-8019-119E04D3D34D

  239. Hiram Fleitas on June 4th, 2010 5:05 pm

    webospde 1 ……. what do you guys think about this? 
     
    D8 Video: James Cameron Talks Movie Release Window 
    http://video.allthingsd.com/video/d8-video-james-cameron-talks-movie-release-window/83EE9950-9FE1-4982-8019-119E04D3D34D

    He makes a good point about preserving the theater experience; however, I believe the content should be available across platforms. (web, big screen, tv, etc.) Why dont they do all mediums (theater, online, tv) of the bat?

    Honestly, my parents watched the bootleg version of avatar, before I took them to the theater. Because I wanted to take the full experience in the theater, understand the movie and not leave the theater as if they missed something or miss understood the story. Perhaps, it has to do with language or culture, but I think it interesting how they still preserved the theater experience. In comparison to me, I saw it twice, once in 3d and second on imax 3d. I didnt see the bootleg, but perhaps that’s a good route for some people. So why doesn’t Hollywood deliver both of the bat? I’d pay $10 bucks to watch the real thing from the comfort of my house on release date with my HD TV and audio.

  240. Steve on August 29th, 2010 3:20 pm

    Man, I’ve been getting chewed out over my comments on this forum – “Blind Director: Let me know your thoughts?” - http://linkd.in/dD74FC

    They don’t like my thoughts! lol – Anyone wish to help me out?  I could really do with some Film fellas muscles on this one.

    In a nutshell, I believe a ‘film’ director, needs to be able to SEE!

    Am I wrong?

  241. Sara DePasquale on August 30th, 2010 11:54 am

    Echo,

    Can you send Steve the direct link to this? I tried to look at it, but it won’t let us into the site because we are not in the LinkedIn group…

    Thanks!
    Sara
    Zacuto Films

  242. Anonymous on February 17th, 2011 5:18 pm

    Boogie Nights is “definitive”?

    It’s definitely definitive for PT Anderson but PT Anderson ripped off Scorcese big time on the screen direction for Boogie Nights and that should be obvious to the FilmFellas.

    Try Raging Bull, Breathless, or Once Upon A Time In The West for “definitive”.





Cast

FilmFellas Cast 1

FilmFellas Cast 1: “Film School and Beyond” features Philip Bloom (DoP, The Insider, If I Were Prime Minister) Peter Hawley (Director, Flashpoint Academy), Steven Dadouche (Director of Photography) and host Steve Weiss (Director FilmFellas/Critics). In the first webisode launching the FilmFellas web series, the fellas discuss the web of opportunities, using the internet as a delivery medium for entertainment and film school.

Continuing the round table discussion, the eclectic cast of filmmakers cover such topics as: learning your craft, building a body of work and finding mentors in the industry. The Fellas wrap up Season 1 by elaborating on the dynamics of the collaborative process, directing styles, editing and the importance of creating your own unique filmmaking style.

“But never forget…it all comes down to content.” ~ Steve Weiss


Steve Weiss (Cinematographer/Producer of FilmFellas/critics)
Robert Primes, ASC (Cinematographer)
Phillip Bloom (Independent DP and Director) Peter Hawley(Director, Chair film department, Flashpoint Academy)
Steven Dadouche (DP, Student & RED owner)

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